OT - possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation

Doe

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7. Related Articles, Links

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London,
UK. ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>> With current insight into the pathogenesis of
various 'inflammatory' diseases , and the involvement of
circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell signalling
molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges,
i.e. removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby
interrupting a viscous cycle whereby effector molecules
perpetuate inflammation. The Japanese experience in
ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled trials ,
has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of
severe exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating
the need for surgery, which is associated with significant
morbidity. While the precise mechansim of benefit of this
treatmemt is not fully understood , the apheresis systems
are also showing promise in Crohn disease . We suggest that
this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized
with antibodies , which are unavoidably associated with
tolerance and side effects. <<snip>>

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markd

" The purpose of therapeutic apheresis is to remove a
component of the blood which contributes to a disease
state. Examples"

It is like dialysis, something is removed from the blood and
then returned to the body, iron and all. Knowing meaning of
terms saves much time and dead ends.

Doe

>Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting / inflammation
>From: markd@toad-net.com
>Date: 7/2/2004 2:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <40e5c644$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com>
>
>" The purpose of therapeutic apheresis is to remove a
>component of the blood which contributes to a disease
>state. Examples"
>
>It is like dialysis, something is removed from the blood
>and then returned to the body, iron and all. Knowing
>meaning of terms saves much time and dead ends.

Stay the fk off my threads ..

You have ONE .. intent .. to attack .. MY .. posts ..

Apheresis is called modern day bloodletting .. bloodletting
accomplishes the SAME FKG THING ..

Hosp Pract (Off Ed). 1983 Oct;18(10):199-205. Related
Articles, Links

Apheresis in hematologic and oncologic disease.

Cohen RJ.

Therapeutic bloodletting dates back to ancient times. With
the development of sophisticated in vivo cell separators, it
has become an established and effective modality in the
treatment of a number of hematologic-oncologic diseases.
Apheresis must, however, be used with discrimination--only
when more conservative measures have proved inadequate.

PMID: 6413369 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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As I said .. compared to .. bloodletting ..

Read the fkn article ..

Then shut the fk up ..

Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7. Related
Articles, Links

Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Premehand P, Takeuchi K, Bjarnason I.

Dept. of Gastroenterology, King's College Hospital, London,
UK. ppremchand100@yahoo.com

PMID: 15180176 [PubMed - in process]

Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..

Same result .. different methods and expense ..

<<snip>> With current insight into the pathogenesis of
various 'inflammatory' diseases , and the involvement of
circulating cells, cytokines and other cell-cell signalling
molecules, a possible rationale for bloodletting emerges,
i.e. removal of pro-inflammatory cells or substances thereby
interrupting a viscous cycle whereby effector molecules
perpetuate inflammation. The Japanese experience in
ulcerative colitiis , if confirmed in controlled trials ,
has the potential to alter our approach to the treatment of
severe exacerbation of ulcerative colitis, thus obviating
the need for surgery, which is associated with significant
morbidity. While the precise mechansim of benefit of this
treatmemt is not fully understood , the apheresis systems
are also showing promise in Crohn disease . We suggest that
this may herald a new therapeutic approach whereby speciific
constituents of blood are removed rather than neurtralized
with antibodies , which are unavoidably associated with
tolerance and side effects. <<snip>>

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Manky Badger

"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting /
> >inflammation From: markd@toad-net.com Date: 7/2/2004 2:32
> >PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id: <40e5c644$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-
> >net.com>
> >
> >" The purpose of therapeutic apheresis is to remove a
> >component of the blood which contributes to a disease
> >state. Examples"
> >
> >It is like dialysis, something is removed from the blood
> >and then
returned
> >to the body, iron and all. Knowing meaning of terms saves
> >much time and dead ends.
>
> Stay the fk off my threads ..
>
> You have ONE .. intent .. to attack .. MY .. posts ..
>
> Apheresis is called modern day bloodletting ..
> bloodletting accomplishes
the
> SAME FKG THING ..

As a matter of fact apheresis isn't the same as
bloodletting. In bloodletting the blood is simply thrown
away. In apheresis the blood is seperated into various fluid
& cellular components, and most of the components returned.

Take for example the production of platelets for
transfusion. These can be obtained by apheresis, but not by
bloodletting.

Manky Badger

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> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting /
> >inflammation From: "Manky Badger"
> >spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk Date: 7/3/2004
> >4:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id:
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> >
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> >> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting
> >> >/ inflammation From: markd@toad-net.com Date: 7/2/2004
> >> >2:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id: <40e5c644$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-
> >> >net.com>
>
> >> Apheresis is called modern day bloodletting ..
> >> bloodletting
accomplishes
> >the
> >> SAME FKG THING ..
> >
> >As a matter of fact apheresis isn't the same as
> >bloodletting.
>
> I included an article .. which SPECIFICALLY states .. it
> .. is ..
>
> YOU .. snipped it .. conveniently ..
>
> F.. O ..
>
> You've been TOLD repeatedly to .. F ... O .. simply
> because .. OF .. the bullsht you JUST .. pulled ..
>
> You are USELESS in medical groups and the fact you ARE ..
> in .. the
medical
> profession bodes very badly for ANYONE in the vicinity of
> YOU when they
get ..
> ill ..

OK pussy - I'll be visiting you in three weeks time. We'll
chat about it then.

Manky Badger

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> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting /
> >inflammation From: "Manky Badger"
> >spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk Date: 7/3/2004
> >11:34 AM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id:
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> >> >
> >> >"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message news:20040702211650.29586.00000900@mb-
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> >> >> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for
> >> >> >bloodletting /
inflammation
> >> >> >From: markd@toad-net.com Date: 7/2/2004 2:32 PM
> >> >> >Mountain Daylight Time Message-id: <40e5c644$0$248$4d5ecec7@reader.city-
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> >>

> >> >> Apheresis is called modern day bloodletting ..
> >> >> bloodletting
> >accomplishes
> >> >the
> >> >> SAME FKG THING ..
> >> >
> >> >As a matter of fact apheresis isn't the same as
> >> >bloodletting.
> >>
> >> I included an article .. which SPECIFICALLY states ..
> >> it .. is ..
> >>
> >> YOU .. snipped it .. conveniently ..
> >>
> >> F.. O ..

> Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..
>
> Same result .. different methods and expense ..

But you just said "SAME FKG THING" ?

Another own goal Tom ?

Manky Badger

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> Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..
>
> Same result .. different methods and expense ..

But you just said "SAME FKG THING" ?

Another own goal Tom ?

Manky Badger

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> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting /
> >inflammation From: "Manky Badger"
> >spam@puritanDOTfreeserve.FULLSTOPcoSPOTuk Date: 7/3/2004
> >5:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time Message-id:
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> >
> >
> >"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message news:20040703135836.05640.00001016@mb-
> >m14.aol.com...
> >
> >
> >> Seems to compare .. apheresis TO .. bloodletting ..
> >>
> >> Same result .. different methods and expense ..
> >
> >
> >But you just said "SAME FKG THING" ?
> >
> >Another own goal Tom ?
>
> Take .. a .. hike ..
>
> There are many .. ways .. to .. bloodlet ..
>
> You should learn them ..

So let's get this straight - you made a mistake when you
said "SAME FKG THING" ?

Manky Badger

"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: OT - possible rationale for bloodletting /
> >inflammation
>
> Scand J Gastroenterol. 2004 May;39(5):416-7. Related
> Articles, Links
>
>
> Selective bloodletting for severe ulcerative colitis.

Irrelevant.