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06-07.-2004, 02:10 AM
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California rides
Hi
We are flying into San Francisco 14th of July and need some advice on cycling routes in California. We will ride with BOBs and hope that we can find places with nice singletrack where we can hang around, camp and ride without luggage between the road rides. Did a similar ride last year in Colorado http://www.lowdin.nu/MTB/Colorado/Singletrack.htm All suggestions are utterly welcome, especially with regard to places with good singletrack, and safe bike friendly roads and routes. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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06-07.-2004, 06:49 AM
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Re: California rides
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> We are flying into San Francisco 14th of July and need > some advice on cycling routes in California. We will ride > with BOBs and hope that we can find places with nice > singletrack where we can hang around, camp and ride > without luggage between the road rides. There are some very nice mountain roads on the San Francisco Peninsula, within a few miles of the San Francisco Airport. Most of the offf-road biking is on fire roads, but there is decent singletrack here and there. There are a few camping spots scattered throughout the area. Big Basin is probably the most popular. You should pick up a couple of important maps, made by Krebs Cycle Products: San Francisco Peninsula and Santa Cruz Mountains Mountain Biking Map This covers San Franciso to Santa Cruz in great detail. This map will get you on the best biking roads: South San Francisco Bay and Monterey Bay Areas Bicycle Touring Map You should be able to find both of these in any local bike shop. This web site will be useful in helping you find a camping spot: http://www.parks.ca.gov/parkindex/ -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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06-07.-2004, 06:49 AM
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Re: California rides
Thanks Terry, very useful info, should add that we will not
stay in the bay area for long, got seven weeks and can easily bike 80 miles a day, longer if it is not mountainous. Would like to find some spots with really nice singletrack. Per http://lowdin.nu "Terry Morse" <tmorse@spamcop.net> skrev i meddelandet news:tmorse- 60181A.11541605072004@news.covad.net... > Per Löwdin wrote: > > > We are flying into San Francisco 14th of July and need > > some advice on cycling routes in California. We will > > ride with BOBs and hope that we can > > find places with nice singletrack where we can hang > > around, camp and ride > > without luggage between the road rides. > > There are some very nice mountain roads on the San > Francisco Peninsula, within a few miles of the San > Francisco Airport. Most of the offf-road biking is on fire > roads, but there is decent singletrack here and there. > > There are a few camping spots scattered throughout the > area. Big Basin is probably the most popular. You should > pick up a couple of important maps, made by Krebs Cycle > Products: > > San Francisco Peninsula and Santa Cruz Mountains Mountain > Biking Map > > This covers San Franciso to Santa Cruz in great detail. > This map will get you on the best biking roads: > > South San Francisco Bay and Monterey Bay Areas Bicycle > Touring Map > > You should be able to find both of these in any local > bike shop. > > This web site will be useful in helping you find a > camping spot: > > http://www.parks.ca.gov/parkindex/ > > -- > terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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06-07.-2004, 10:03 AM
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Re: California rides
Per Löwdin wrote:
> Thanks Terry, very useful info, should add that we will > not stay in the bay area for long, got seven weeks and can > easily bike 80 miles a day, longer if it is not > mountainous. Would like to find some spots with really > nice singletrack. My knowledge of California MTB trails outside the Bay Area isn't extensive. You should get better information in alt.mountain-bike. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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06-07.-2004, 02:01 PM
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Re: California rides
What means "BOB"? Bringing your own bike/s?
Do you mean that you will arrive in SF with 7 weeks to ride? If so, are you looking for touring rides? 80 miles of mountain biking per day could take you quite far. It is cool close to the coast (54 degrees F. outside our door here in Berkeley at 8 PM and foggy). It can be chilly and windy (especially strong wind from NW along the coast typically starting late morning and lasting until maybe 6 PM). Not far inland from us was 104 today, which you might want to bear in mind. If I rode my bike about 20 minutes east from where we live in NE Berkeley the weather would change from cool and foggy to hot and clear. The East Bay Park District parks in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills, east of SF, have many biking trails and maps are available, but I think they are more suitable for day rides. Similar parks North and South Bay. How far do you want to go - one long ride or several shorter ones? If you want to take a longer ride I would suggest heading north near the coast (avoiding State Highway 1 as much as possible) along lesser-used roads and including as much trail ride as possible along the way. I have some of my own favorite routes which I could suggest, but they are mostly small, paved roads. Much beauty south down the peninsula, but if you are planning a longer ride heavy traffic will be difficult to avoid. -- Steve Juniper "Those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for greater security deserve neither." - - Benjamin Franklin -- "Per Löwdin" <Perlowdin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tNfGc.4309$dx3.34149@newsb.telia.net... Hi We are flying into San Francisco 14th of July and need some advice on cycling routes in California. We will ride with BOBs and hope that we can find places with nice singletrack where we can hang around, camp and ride without luggage between the road rides. Did a similar ride last year in Colorado http://www.lowdin.nu/MTB/Colorado/Singletrack.htm All suggestions are utterly welcome, especially with regard to places with good singletrack, and safe bike friendly roads and routes. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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06-07.-2004, 04:46 PM
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Re: California rides
There are many good choices for single track either in the
Sierra or on the coast. The crossing between caost and Sierra on mountain bikes is a pretty tough thing, especially in summer heat. I would advise you to cross the central valley some way other than on bike (Amtrak, car, bus, etc), unless you don't mind killing a few days. On the coast, probably the best single track in the (southern) Bay area is in a couple of places with camping more or less nearby. Modest amounts (2 -3 hours worth, without repeating trails) of good single track can be found in El Corte de Madera Creek Open Space Preserve, Wilder Ranch, the Soquel Demonstration Forest and a few things around Santa Cruz. I suppose it's possible to bike to Butano, or Portola State park or Big Basin from some of those and camp. Henry Coe State Park (SE of San Jose) is quite large. You could explore and camp there for days. There is lots of great singletrack, ample filterable spring water, extremely strenuous and rugged terrain, limited facilities, mountain lions and more than a good chance of getting heat exhaustion. Be careful about riding mid day and carry water and a filter. Some of the springs even offer good swimming opportunities, but it is a little late in the year for that. I hear good things about Annadel State Park in Sonoma, but don't know it myself. The Sierra is a whole other, bigger thing and perhaps your best bet for a longer stay. Downieville, the Flume trail, Mr. Toad's, lots of stuff in National Forests. There are books available on this in Bay Area bike shops. National Forest are perfect for camping. Don't ask me about Southern Cal., but it's another possibility. Boris "Terry Morse" <tmorse@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:tmorse- 6A3B6C.16530505072004@news.covad.net... > Per Löwdin wrote: > > > Thanks Terry, very useful info, should add that we will > > not stay in the bay > > area for long, got seven weeks and can easily bike 80 > > miles a day, longer if > > it is not mountainous. Would like to find some spots > > with really nice singletrack. > > My knowledge of California MTB trails outside the Bay > Area isn't extensive. You should get better information > in alt.mountain-bike. > -- > terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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06-07.-2004, 05:30 PM
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Re: California rides
"Steve Juniper" <snijuniper@comcast.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:5bpGc.29720$a24.27041@attbi_s03... > What means "BOB"? Bringing your own bike/s? BOB is a trailer http://www.lowdin.nu/MTB/Colorado/Independence5.JPG > Do you mean that you will arrive in SF with 7 weeks > to ride? Yes, precisely. > If so, are you looking for touring rides? 80 miles of > mountain biking per day could take > you quite far. We want to combine touring with mountain biking, i.e., ride along decent roads between spots with good singletrack. On road we easily average 80 miles per day unless it is very mountainous. Can even do 160 miles, some single day, if the conditions are right. On singletrack distance is not really a factor. Should emphasize that we are not going off-road with the BOBs, intend to camp, ride some fun singletrack (as dayrides), preferably the best in California, for a couple of days and then continue to the next place with good singletrack. > It is cool close to the coast (54 degrees F. outside our > door here in Berkeley at 8 PM and foggy). It can be chilly > and windy (especially strong wind from NW along the coast > typically starting late morning and lasting until maybe 6 > PM). Not far inland from us was 104 today, which you might > want to bear in mind. If I rode my bike about 20 minutes > east from where we > live in NE Berkeley the weather would change from cool and > foggy to hot and > clear. Thanks, those are things, especially about the fog, that it is not easy to figure out over here (in Sweden). > The East Bay Park District parks in the Oakland/Berkeley > Hills, east of SF, > have many biking trails and maps are available, but I > think they are more suitable for day rides. Similar parks > North and South Bay. Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., with showers and someone looking after the place while we are riding. > How far do you want to go - one long ride or several > shorter ones? Long rides on road, between places, many short rides on good singletrack. > If you want to take a longer ride I would suggest heading > north near the coast (avoiding State Highway 1 as much as > possible) along lesser-used roads and including as much > trail ride as possible along the way. Well, when we are riding with luggage we like to be on a paved road, when we ride without we like to ride trails. > I have some of my own favorite routes which I could > suggest, but they are mostly small, paved > roads. Please do, don´t care to ride unpaved roads with luggage, some Americans ride off-road with BOBs and they are adverticed as useable off-road, be that as it may, but we will have too much weight for it to be fun, it would just be extremely strenuous, prefer to have no luggage off-road. So, suggestions of small paved safe roads are very welcome. Sometimes we wonder if we are crazy taking a cycling holiday in the promised land of the automobile? > Much beauty south down the peninsula, but if you are > planning a longer ride heavy traffic will be difficult > to avoid. If there are bike shoulders and the ride takes us somewhere nice we can live with it. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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06-07.-2004, 07:30 PM
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Re: California rides
"Boris Foelsch" <b_foelsch@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:275c5$40ea3204$44a5612a$399@msgid.meganewsservers.com... > I would advise you to cross the central valley some way > other than on bike (Amtrak, car, bus, etc), unless you > don't mind killing a few days. Depends a bit on how many days it would kill, I think we can handle the heat though it wont be too much fun, have cycled quite a bit in SE-Asia, http://www.lowdin.nu/MTB/Cyclinginsoutheastasia.htm am more worried about the traffic. On our map there seem to be only four-lane high ways in some areas. A day or two is OK, a week is not. What is Amtrak´s policy with regard to bikes, we will have two bikes and two trailers, can we just hop on a train? Or will we have to box the bikes? > On the coast, probably the best single track in the > (southern) Bay area is in a couple of places with camping > more or less nearby. Modest amounts (2 -3 > hours worth, without repeating trails) of good single > track can be found in > El Corte de Madera Creek Open Space Preserve, Wilder > Ranch, the Soquel Demonstration Forest and a few things > around Santa Cruz. I suppose it's possible to bike to > Butano, or Portola State park or Big Basin from some of > those and camp. > > Henry Coe State Park (SE of San Jose) is quite large. You > could explore and > camp there for days. There is lots of great > singletrack, ample filterable spring water, extremely > strenuous and rugged terrain, limited facilities, > mountain lions and more than a good chance of getting > heat exhaustion. Be careful about riding mid day and > carry water and a filter. Some of the springs even > offer good swimming opportunities, but it is a little > late in the year for that. > > I hear good things about Annadel State Park in Sonoma, but > don't know it myself. Thanks, I am taking notes. Think I can google up some of those places. Will have to get a better map. > The Sierra is a whole other, bigger thing and perhaps your > best bet for a longer stay. Downieville, the Flume trail, > Mr. Toad's, lots of stuff in National Forests. We are absolutely going to the Sierras, and to the Redwood empire. > There are books available on this in Bay Area bike shops. We will get some of those. > National Forest are perfect for camping. > > Don't ask me about Southern Cal., but it's another > possibility. Yes, we have a vague idea that it would be nice to do a kind of loop that includes part of the coast towards LA, the Sierras, and then Redwood Empire. We are not purists in any sense, that have to bike all the way, a day or two in the Central Valley will be fun, after all we are tourists so it is news to us, but more than that may be a terrible bore, so if we can hop on a train or a bus without to much hassle, and get to an area with better cycling we will gladly do that. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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06-07.-2004, 11:15 PM
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Re: California rides
Per Löwdin wrote:
> Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good > safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., > with showers and someone looking after the place while we > are riding. There are not that many private campgrounds in the state, mostly state parks. KOA is one of the private chains: http://www.koakampgrounds.com/where/ca/ -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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07-07.-2004, 12:32 AM
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Re: California rides
Terry Morse wrote:
> Per Löwdin wrote: > > >>Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good >>safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., >>with showers and someone looking after the place while we >>are riding. > > > There are not that many private campgrounds in the state, > mostly state parks. KOA is one of the private chains: > > http://www.koakampgrounds.com/where/ca/ I'd disagree slightly; there are many private campgrounds, but most cater more to RVs than to tent campers. In any event, I almost always greatly prefer our publicly-owned campgrounds to the private ones. Many of the private campgrounds seem like little more than parking lots full of RVs and maybe a few small spaces in which it's possible to pitch a tent. In contrast, public campgrounds are generally in beautiful natural surroundings with much more spacious sites. Most have showers although many are coin-operated (have some quarters handy). I've never had a problem with leaving camping gear during the day in our park campgrounds. In addition to the regular park staff many have "Camp Hosts" - usually retired people who stay at the campground free in exchange for keeping an eye on things and helping other campers. The main problem with the park campgrounds is that the more popular ones are frequently full. Some of the state parks have special "Hike and Bike" spaces set aside for people who arrive by foot or bicycle which don't require any reservation. Stays are usually limited to a couple days. |
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07-07.-2004, 01:01 AM
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Re: California rides
> I'd disagree slightly; there are many private campgrounds,
> but most cater more to RVs than to tent campers. In any > event, I almost always greatly prefer our publicly-owned > campgrounds to the private ones. Well, last year in Colorado we found that the USF camp grounds there tended to be in extremely beautiful spots, but rarely had showers (hot or warm), and most problematic kind of presumed that you had a car. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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07-07.-2004, 01:45 AM
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Re: California rides
"Per Löwdin" <Perlowdin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%ktGc.4347
> > Yes, we have a vague idea that it would be nice to do a > kind of loop that includes part of the coast towards LA, > the Sierras, and then Redwood Empire. > We are not purists in any sense, that have to bike all the > way, a day or two > in the Central Valley will be fun, after all we are > tourists so it is news to us, but more than that may be a > terrible bore, so if we can hop on a train or a bus > without to much hassle, and get to an area with better > cycling we will gladly do that. > This all sounds extremely ambitious! You're going south, north and to the Sierra? Wow. As already mentioned, you may be spanning quite a temperature range, but you won't see much rain, except coastal fog drip, which can be heavy. You will be thirsty most of the time. Maybe you can cross the central valley further north (toward Mt Shasta), where it's narrower and the traffic is a lot less. You could work your way up the coast mountain ranges and redwoods and then head east toward the northern Sierra. One important point is that singletrack is either hiking trail in wilderness where you're usually not allowed to bicycle or is in more heavily used areas where bicycles are more common. You'll find lots of jeep trails and fire roads in the national forests of the Sierra, but single track may be hit and miss, except around Lake Tahoe or other more developed areas. I don't know about Amtrak and bikes, but I wouldn't expect European style service. Check this. http://www.amtrak.com/plan/baggage- checked.html |
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07-07.-2004, 01:45 AM
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Re: California rides
Per Löwdin wrote:
>>I'd disagree slightly; there are many private campgrounds, >>but most cater more to RVs than to tent campers. In any >>event, I almost always greatly prefer our publicly-owned >>campgrounds to the private ones. > > > Well, last year in Colorado we found that the USF camp > grounds there tended to be in extremely beautiful spots, > but rarely had showers (hot or warm), and most problematic > kind of presumed that you had a car. Yes, US Forest Service campgrounds tend to be more primitive although there are quite a few exceptions. State and National Park campgrounds usually have showers and other amenities - as do many of the campgrounds run by local municipalities and counties. I'd suggest you plan an approximate itinerary and then do a web search for appropriate camping facilities. |
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07-07.-2004, 02:17 AM
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Re: California rides
One thing you should be aware of is that most parks in the
US are public and primitive by European standards. I found the private parks in France especially civilized and a good value with very clean, functional toilet/shower facilities and even decent restaurants or snack bars with resaonble prices. Except for large, popular, campgrounds, here there will be no showers and toilets will be pit-privies and no food nearby. KOA is a big private campground chain more like a big, busy, parking lot but with facilities. RV generators can be annoying in US camgrounds as well. One advantage to bicycle travel is that in forests away from cities you can easily disappear into the woods and camp anywhere, water permitting. Too bad that it is generally difficult or impossible to find up-to-date comprehensive maps for all but the most heavily cycled areas (much opportunity for Michelin here!). > The East Bay Park District parks in the Oakland/Berkeley > Hills, east of SF, > have many biking trails and maps are available, but I > think they are more suitable for day rides. Similar parks > North and South Bay. Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., with showers and someone looking after the place while we are riding. -- Steve Juniper "One of the few good things about modern times: If you die horribly on television, you will not have died in vain. You will have entertained us." -- Kurt Vonnegut -- "Per Löwdin" <Perlowdin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:NGsGc.4345$dx3.34670@newsb.telia.net... "Steve Juniper" <snijuniper@comcast.net> skrev i meddelandet news:5bpGc.29720$a24.27041@attbi_s03... > What means "BOB"? Bringing your own bike/s? BOB is a trailer http://www.lowdin.nu/MTB/Colorado/Independence5.JPG > Do you mean that you will arrive in SF with 7 weeks > to ride? Yes, precisely. > If so, are you looking for touring rides? 80 miles of > mountain biking per day could take > you quite far. We want to combine touring with mountain biking, i.e., ride along decent roads between spots with good singletrack. On road we easily average 80 miles per day unless it is very mountainous. Can even do 160 miles, some single day, if the conditions are right. On singletrack distance is not really a factor. Should emphasize that we are not going off-road with the BOBs, intend to camp, ride some fun singletrack (as dayrides), preferably the best in California, for a couple of days and then continue to the next place with good singletrack. > It is cool close to the coast (54 degrees F. outside our > door here in Berkeley at 8 PM and foggy). It can be chilly > and windy (especially strong wind from NW along the coast > typically starting late morning and lasting until maybe 6 > PM). Not far inland from us was 104 today, which you might > want to bear in mind. If I rode my bike about 20 minutes > east from where we > live in NE Berkeley the weather would change from cool and > foggy to hot and > clear. Thanks, those are things, especially about the fog, that it is not easy to figure out over here (in Sweden). > The East Bay Park District parks in the Oakland/Berkeley > Hills, east of SF, > have many biking trails and maps are available, but I > think they are more suitable for day rides. Similar parks > North and South Bay. Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., with showers and someone looking after the place while we are riding. > How far do you want to go - one long ride or several > shorter ones? Long rides on road, between places, many short rides on good singletrack. > If you want to take a longer ride I would suggest heading > north near the coast (avoiding State Highway 1 as much as > possible) along lesser-used roads and including as much > trail ride as possible along the way. Well, when we are riding with luggage we like to be on a paved road, when we ride without we like to ride trails. > I have some of my own favorite routes which I could > suggest, but they are mostly small, paved > roads. Please do, don´t care to ride unpaved roads with luggage, some Americans ride off-road with BOBs and they are adverticed as useable off-road, be that as it may, but we will have too much weight for it to be fun, it would just be extremely strenuous, prefer to have no luggage off-road. So, suggestions of small paved safe roads are very welcome. Sometimes we wonder if we are crazy taking a cycling holiday in the promised land of the automobile? > Much beauty south down the peninsula, but if you are > planning a longer ride heavy traffic will be difficult > to avoid. If there are bike shoulders and the ride takes us somewhere nice we can live with it. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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07-07.-2004, 03:36 AM
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Re: California rides
PS: I forgot to add that (as you may have noticed in
Colorado) most USFS and state park campgrounds here are in some of the loveliest settings and well away from communities and services. -- Steve Steve Juniper Berkeley, California "Every day above ground is a good day!" -- "Steve Juniper" <snijuniper@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ZVAGc.32576$a24.8417@attbi_s03... One thing you should be aware of is that most parks in the US are public and primitive by European standards. I found the private parks in France especially civilized and a good value with very clean, functional toilet/shower facilities and even decent restaurants or snack bars with resaonble prices. Except for large, popular, campgrounds, here there will be no showers and toilets will be pit-privies and no food nearby. KOA is a big private campground chain more like a big, busy, parking lot but with facilities. RV generators can be annoying in US camgrounds as well. One advantage to bicycle travel is that in forests away from cities you can easily disappear into the woods and camp anywhere, water permitting. Too bad that it is generally difficult or impossible to find up-to-date comprehensive maps for all but the most heavily cycled areas (much opportunity for Michelin here!). > The East Bay Park District parks in the Oakland/Berkeley > Hills, east of SF, > have many biking trails and maps are available, but I > think they are more suitable for day rides. Similar parks > North and South Bay. Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., with showers and someone looking after the place while we are riding. -- Steve Juniper "One of the few good things about modern times: If you die horribly on television, you will not have died in vain. You will have entertained us." -- Kurt Vonnegut -- "Per Löwdin" <Perlowdin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:NGsGc.4345$dx3.34670@newsb.telia.net... "Steve Juniper" <snijuniper@comcast.net> skrev i meddelandet news:5bpGc.29720$a24.27041@attbi_s03... > What means "BOB"? Bringing your own bike/s? BOB is a trailer http://www.lowdin.nu/MTB/Colorado/Independence5.JPG > Do you mean that you will arrive in SF with 7 weeks > to ride? Yes, precisely. > If so, are you looking for touring rides? 80 miles of > mountain biking per day could take > you quite far. We want to combine touring with mountain biking, i.e., ride along decent roads between spots with good singletrack. On road we easily average 80 miles per day unless it is very mountainous. Can even do 160 miles, some single day, if the conditions are right. On singletrack distance is not really a factor. Should emphasize that we are not going off-road with the BOBs, intend to camp, ride some fun singletrack (as dayrides), preferably the best in California, for a couple of days and then continue to the next place with good singletrack. > It is cool close to the coast (54 degrees F. outside our > door here in Berkeley at 8 PM and foggy). It can be chilly > and windy (especially strong wind from NW along the coast > typically starting late morning and lasting until maybe 6 > PM). Not far inland from us was 104 today, which you might > want to bear in mind. If I rode my bike about 20 minutes > east from where we > live in NE Berkeley the weather would change from cool and > foggy to hot and > clear. Thanks, those are things, especially about the fog, that it is not easy to figure out over here (in Sweden). > The East Bay Park District parks in the Oakland/Berkeley > Hills, east of SF, > have many biking trails and maps are available, but I > think they are more suitable for day rides. Similar parks > North and South Bay. Splendid, perfect for day rides if we can find a good safe camping place, preferably privately owned, i.e.., with showers and someone looking after the place while we are riding. > How far do you want to go - one long ride or several > shorter ones? Long rides on road, between places, many short rides on good singletrack. > If you want to take a longer ride I would suggest heading > north near the coast (avoiding State Highway 1 as much as > possible) along lesser-used roads and including as much > trail ride as possible along the way. Well, when we are riding with luggage we like to be on a paved road, when we ride without we like to ride trails. > I have some of my own favorite routes which I could > suggest, but they are mostly small, paved > roads. Please do, don´t care to ride unpaved roads with luggage, some Americans ride off-road with BOBs and they are adverticed as useable off-road, be that as it may, but we will have too much weight for it to be fun, it would just be extremely strenuous, prefer to have no luggage off-road. So, suggestions of small paved safe roads are very welcome. Sometimes we wonder if we are crazy taking a cycling holiday in the promised land of the automobile? > Much beauty south down the peninsula, but if you are > planning a longer ride heavy traffic will be difficult > to avoid. If there are bike shoulders and the ride takes us somewhere nice we can live with it. Per http://lowdin.nu |
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