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13-07.-2004, 05:56 AM
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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
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Hinault doubts Armstrong can win Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time Tour champion Bernard Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts Armstrong will score the elusive sixth win. "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw how he struggled in the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning are only 50-50 at best," Hinault said. Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. After Armstrong's fifth victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to the club." |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
brian roth wrote:
> found at www.dallasnews.com > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time > Tour champion Bernard Hinault, but the last Frenchman to > win the Tour doubts Armstrong will score the elusive > sixth win. > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone > saw how he struggled in the mountains last year, so I'd > say his chances of winning are only 50-50 at best," > Hinault said. > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. > After Armstrong's fifth victory last year, Hinault shook > Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to the club." He could have easily said: "Armstrong looks to have a solid chance to win his sixth Tour -- almost as good a chance as the rest of the field combined." 50-50 is quite good odds, especially considering nobody's ever pulled off the #6. Dan |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com... > found at www.dallasnews.com > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time > Tour champion Bernard > Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts > Armstrong will score the > elusive sixth win. > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw > how he struggled in > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning > are only 50-50 at > best," Hinault said. > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. > After Armstrong's fifth > victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and > said, "Welcome to the > club." This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. I wonder what Hinault would say today? |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
brian_j_roth@yahoo.com (brian roth) wrote:
>found at www.dallasnews.com > > >Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > >"He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw >how he struggled in the mountains last year, Won Stage 15 Luz Ardiden, lost no significant time to GC contenders on other Mt. Stages (2:12 to Mayo, along with everybody else but Vino, on L'Alpe d'Huez), 3rd in KOM. "Not dominant" perhaps. "Struggling" a bit hyperbolic. I would expect similar Mt. results this year, maybe no Mt. Stages, win ITT at Besançon, and yellow in Paris. --dt |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com... > found at www.dallasnews.com > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time > Tour champion Bernard > Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts > Armstrong will score the > elusive sixth win. > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw > how he struggled in > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning > are only 50-50 at > best," Hinault said. > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. > After Armstrong's fifth > victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and > said, "Welcome to the > club." I wonder what Hinault will say if Armstrong creates the #6 Club. Dave |
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13-07.-2004, 05:56 AM
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com... > found at www.dallasnews.com > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw > how he struggled in > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of winning > are only 50-50 at > best," Hinault said. Tour de Tech: It's all about fit By Lennard Zinn VeloNews technical writer This report filed July 8, 2004 http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/te...les/6501.0.html One example is the hip problem Lance Armstrong had in 2003. The man on his way to a fifth successive Tour win had received new shoes and cranks shortly before the start of the Tour. The Q-factor of the new pre-production Dura-Ace 10-speed cranks were apparently greater than that of the Dura- Ace 9-s), placing his feet wider apart. Current production models have the same Q-factor as the old cranks. Another explanation could have simply been mis-location of the cleats on the new shoes. In any case, something was askew, and Armstrong had to make adjustments in mid-Tour to minimize the pain, but it never went completely away during the race, simply because he had no chance to recover. Armstrong was also in the midst of a divorce during last year's Tour. Given the reports of his devotion to his kids, that may have had some effect on his mental state. But then, we don't need to make excuses for last year, right? He won. Sounds like Hinault is worried... Cheers, Ears |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
brian_j_roth@yahoo.com (brian roth) wrote in message news:<ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com>...
> found at www.dallasnews.com > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time > Tour champion Bernard Hinault, but the last Frenchman to > win the Tour doubts Armstrong will score the elusive > sixth win. > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone > saw how he struggled in the mountains last year, so I'd > say his chances of winning are only 50-50 at best," > Hinault said. > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. > After Armstrong's fifth victory last year, Hinault shook > Armstrong's hand and said, "Welcome to the club." Given the fact that Armstrong has more than one challenger, 50-50 odds of him winning implies that Armstrong is the favorite. Once again, proof that Hinault is an idiot, apart from his other obvious faults. -ilan |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
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> > This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. > I wonder what Hinault would say today? Especially given Lance's self-assessment that he is in "much better" shape this year per the Lance Chronicles. |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"trg" <trg@world.REMOVE.THIS.com> wrote in message
news:ccu7k3$v2r$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net... > > "brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le > message de > news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com... > > found at www.dallasnews.com > > > > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five-time > > Tour champion > Bernard > > Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts > > Armstrong will > score the > > elusive sixth win. > > > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw > > how he struggled > in > > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of > > winning are only 50-50 > at > > best," Hinault said. > > > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. > > After Armstrong's > fifth > > victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and > > said, "Welcome to > the > > club." > > This quote is about a month old, just after the Dauphiné. > I wonder what Hinault would say today? > > The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong would win a sixth, he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the question, "Je m'en fou" (I could care less), adding "if Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour he'd probably still be winning the thing" |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"Pistof" <dataylor123@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I wonder what Hinault will say if Armstrong creates >the #6 Club. "You can't compare riders of different eras. If Merckx wanted to concentrate on the TdF, he'd still be riding. If I wanted to concentrate of the TdF, I'd have won 8. If EPO was around in my era, I'd have won 10." Etc. Etc. --dt |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"Ears" <Earslookin@you.kid> wrote in message
news:9PCdnYXBo-TicW_dRVn-vw@comcast.com... > > "brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com... > > found at www.dallasnews.com > > > > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone saw > > how he struggled > in > > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of > > winning are only 50-50 > at > > best," Hinault said. > > > Tour de Tech: It's all about fit By Lennard Zinn VeloNews > technical writer This report filed July 8, 2004 http://ww- > w.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6501.0.html One > example is the hip problem Lance Armstrong had in 2003. > The man on his way to a fifth successive Tour win had > received new shoes and cranks shortly > before the start of the Tour. The Q-factor of the new pre- > production Dura-Ace 10-speed cranks were apparently > greater than that of the Dura-Ace 9-s), placing his feet > wider apart. Current production models have the same > Q-factor as the old cranks. Another explanation could have > simply been mis-location of the cleats on the new shoes. > In any case, something was askew, and Armstrong had to > make adjustments in mid-Tour to minimize the pain, but it > never went completely away during the race, simply because > he had no chance to recover. > > > Armstrong was also in the midst of a divorce during last > year's Tour. Given > the reports of his devotion to his kids, that may have had > some effect on his mental state. But then, we don't need > to make excuses for last year, right? He won. > > Sounds like Hinault is worried... > > Cheers, Ears It is all about PR. Make the competition think that 2003 was an anomoly so they don't become optimistic about Armstrong's chances of losing. |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"Jim Flom" <jimflom@telusREMOVE.net> wrote in message
news:keyIc.37425$eO.29828@edtnps89... > "trg" wrote... > > > > This quote is about a month old, just after the > > Dauphiné. I wonder what Hinault would say today? > > Especially given Lance's self-assessment that he is in > "much better" shape this year per the Lance Chronicles. Never listen to the "self assessment" of an athlete that has used misinformation as a strategic tool. Today I heard Roll comment on the weather this year relative to last year. He seems to think that Armstrong's problems were caused by the heat. It was just as hot for everyone else, but some tolerate heat better than others. He may have a point. If Lance wins this year, we will know the anomoly last year was caused by the weather and not age or any other factor related to the passing of time. |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"matabala" <matabala@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message de
news:ccuc89$crk$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr... > > "trg" <trg@world.REMOVE.THIS.com> wrote in message > news:ccu7k3$v2r$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net... > > > > "brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le > > message de > > news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.google.com... > > > found at www.dallasnews.com > > > > > > > > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win > > > > > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five- > > > time Tour champion > > Bernard > > > Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour doubts > > > Armstrong will > > score the > > > elusive sixth win. > > > > > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone > > > saw how he > struggled > > in > > > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of > > > winning are only > 50-50 > > at > > > best," Hinault said. > > > > > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the Tour. > > > After Armstrong's > > fifth > > > victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and > > > said, "Welcome to > > the > > > club." > > > > This quote is about a month old, just after the > > Dauphiné. I wonder what Hinault would say today? > > > > > The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong > would win a sixth, > he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the > question, "Je m'en fou" (I could care less), adding "if > Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour he'd probably still > be winning the thing" > > In the same interview he said that it makes no sense to compare riders from different eras. |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
"matabala" <matabala@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong > would win a sixth, > he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the > question, "Je m'en fou" (I could care less), adding "if > Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour he'd probably still > be winning the thing" I had not heard that one. I like it. Thanks |
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Re: Hinault doubts Armstrong can win
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:24:52 +0200, trg <trg@world.REMOVE.THIS.com> wrote:
> > "matabala" <matabala@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message > de news:ccuc89$crk$1@news-reader2.wanadoo.fr... >> >> "trg" <trg@world.REMOVE.THIS.com> wrote in message >> news:ccu7k3$v2r$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net... >> > >> > "brian roth" <brian_j_roth@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le >> > message de news:ebf01652.0407120544.15754b08@posting.g- >> > oogle.com... >> > > found at www.dallasnews.com >> > > >> > > >> > > Hinault doubts Armstrong can win >> > > >> > > Saturday's stage rolled past the birthplace of five- >> > > time Tour >> champion >> > Bernard >> > > Hinault, but the last Frenchman to win the Tour >> > > doubts Armstrong >> will >> > score the >> > > elusive sixth win. >> > > >> > > "He has not looked that good this year, and everyone >> > > saw how he >> struggled >> > in >> > > the mountains last year, so I'd say his chances of >> > > winning are only >> 50-50 >> > at >> > > best," Hinault said. >> > > >> > > Hinault presents prizes on the podium during the >> > > Tour. After > Armstrong's >> > fifth >> > > victory last year, Hinault shook Armstrong's hand and >> > > said, "Welcome > to >> > the >> > > club." >> > >> > This quote is about a month old, just after the >> > Dauphiné. I wonder >> what >> > Hinault would say today? >> > >> > >> The other day on French TV, when asked whether Armstrong >> would win a > sixth, >> he replied brusquely like he was tired of answering the >> question, "Je m'en fou" (I could care less), adding "if >> Mercxx concentrated only on the Tour he'd probably still >> be winning the thing" >> >> > In the same interview he said that it makes no sense to > compare riders from different eras. > > I don't think that it does make sense. Now, you have people spending hours in wind tunnels trying to get as aerodynamic as possible. Heck, Lance even takes drinks a particular way to benefit aerodynamics. And then you have different bikes, different training, better analysis of diet, HR, etc. The list goes on and on. -- Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply |
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