EPO and Hobby Cyclists

Fred

It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.

http://www.noprescriptiondrugs.com/pharm93.html


"Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that dangerous ??
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
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> http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
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> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm
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Gunny Bunny

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that dangerous ??

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

Cipher

Gunny Bunny wrote:
> Is EPO really that dangerous ??



If your not concerned about the (greatly) increased risk of heart
attacks due to your blood thickening, than I would say no...



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andy

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"Cipher" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> Gunny Bunny wrote:
> > Is EPO really that dangerous ??
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>
>
> If your not concerned about the (greatly) increased risk of heart
> attacks due to your blood thickening, than I would say no...
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trg

IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and of
course those with serious medical conditions).

Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen already
available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available (the
case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
(the action of EPO) won't be of much help.

Gunny Bunny wrote:
> Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
> dangerous ??
>
> http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
>
> http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
>
> http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

Gunny Bunny

Oh, u make some good points there

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

"trg" <trg@world.REMOVETHIS.std.com> wrote in message
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> IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and
of
> course those with serious medical conditions).
>
> Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
> muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen
already
> available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available
(the
> case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
> (the action of EPO) won't be of much help.
>
> Gunny Bunny wrote:
> > Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
> > dangerous ??
> >
> > http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1178479,00.html
> >
> > http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html
> >
> > http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm
> >
> > http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm
>
>

Cipher

Gunny Bunny wrote:
> Oh, u make some good points there
> However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
> air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.



Did you miss read the fine print?!? (This stuff can kill ya!)



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BaCardi

Gunny Bunny wrote:
> However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
> air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.[/url]



EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a
high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is
thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality.
Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their
red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have
terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that
have died from EPO use. Don't do it.



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Derk

Gunny Bunny wrote:

> However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
> air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.
Well, if you don't mind gambling with your health.....

Why do you think it's banned?

Derk

trg

BaCardi wrote:
> Gunny Bunny wrote:
> > However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and
> gasp for > air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as
> quickly.[/url]
>
>
>
> EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a
> high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is
> thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality.
> Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
> developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their
> red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have
> terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that
> have died from EPO use. Don't do it.

The key phrase here is athlete, especially elite athletes. The title of this
thread is hobby cyclist.
I can tell you from personal experience, that for someone of that
description (active, but not a trained athlete, certainly nowhere near to
their potential), EPO will not make much of a difference during performance.

Gearóid Ó Laoi/Garry Lee

In one winter about 18 Dutch amateurs died in their sleep from this stuff.

DONT do it.

BaCardi

Trg wrote:
> BaCardi wrote:
> > Gunny Bunny wrote:
> > > However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and
> > gasp for > air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as
> > quickly.[/url]
> >
> >
> >
> > EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a
> > high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is
> > thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality.
> > Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
> > developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their
> > red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have
> > terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that
> > have died from EPO use. Don't do it.
> The key phrase here is athlete, especially elite athletes. The title of
> this thread is hobby cyclist. I can tell you from personal experience,
> that for someone of that description (active, but not a trained athlete,
> certainly nowhere near to their potential), EPO will not make much of a
> difference during performance.





It will make a difference for any athlete, professional or amateur. It
will make a difference for a bed-ridden patient in a hospital ward
somewhere. And, it will make a difference with the normal individual
person in between the extremes of elite athlete and anemic patient. THAT
ISN'T THE POINT! This stuff is dangerous and it does kill!



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BaCardi

Fred wrote:
> It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.
> http://www.noprescriptiondrugs.com/....noprescriptio-
> ndrugs.com/pharm93.html




This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an online
pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff. 1) This stuff is
dangerous and 2) There are illegal pharmacies like this one all over the
place. You could do a search on google and find a lot of these places.
They are illegal in the USA, Canada, Eurpeon nations, etc. I've read
about places like this. They take your money and run.

EPO is and should be prescribed by physicians. It is a prescription drug
and is illegal to purchase without consent and supervision from a
doctor. The stuff is highly dangerous. Your suggestion of a place to buy
the stuff is out of line. To the OP, DON'T DO IT!



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VCopelan

> "Gunny Bunny" none@none.com Writes:

>However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
>if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. EPO has no effect on your platelet
count. Platelets have no oxygen carrying ability. The oxygen carrying portion
of the blood are the red blood cells. EPO will increase these along with your
risk of heart attack and stroke should you become dehydrated. You should be
able to get your hematocrit to the upper end of the normal range with training
(perhaps some training at altitude).