Compressed Air Fillers for Tires - Help Request !!!!

Gunny Bunny

Hello,

I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
recommendations on quality.

In addition, I currently have the standard folding Allan Key set in my
saddle post bag, it looks like there might be some better quality one's
available with more features....recommendations

Thank you

hall

Gunny Bunny wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
> quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
> recommendations on quality.
>

Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
you're looking for, you can browse through
http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps
for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of these
gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you wear gloves
at least the first time you use it.

/hall

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Matt O'Toole

hall wrote:

> Gunny Bunny wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
>> them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to
>> some and any recommendations on quality.
>>
>
> Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
> you're looking for, you can browse through
> http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps
> for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of these
> gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you wear
> gloves at least the first time you use it.

I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a plastic case, so the cold
isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a whole slew of them here:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop...=18&Sub_ID=4362

But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus, every time you
get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Matt O.

Gunny Bunny

"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
news:ubfgc.6008$L31.5416@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> hall wrote:
>
> > Gunny Bunny wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
> >> them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to
> >> some and any recommendations on quality.
> >>
> >
> > Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
> > you're looking for, you can browse through
> > http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps
> > for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of these
> > gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you wear
> > gloves at least the first time you use it.
>
> I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a plastic case, so
the cold
> isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a whole slew of them
here:
>
>
http://www.performancebike.com/shop...=18&Sub_ID=4362
>
> But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus, every time
you
> get a flat it costs you an extra buck.
>
> Matt O.

I have a portable pump, but CO2 would be faster when with fellow riders !

Jeff Starr

"Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:<6qcgc.38501$vF3.2302798@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> Hello,
>
> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
> quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
> recommendations on quality.
>
> In addition, I currently have the standard folding Allan Key set in my
> saddle post bag, it looks like there might be some better quality one's
> available with more features....recommendations
>
> Thank you

Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are ok. Be sure to
get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for use
with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag, on both
my bikes:
http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innova...traflate_ih.htm

For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see link:
http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_..._multi-Tool.htm

It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers, spoke
wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

Life is Good!
Jeff

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Matt O'Toole writes:

>>> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
>>> them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to
>>> some and any recommendations on quality.

>> Don't know about replacing the tube, but if a C02 inflator is what
>> you're looking for, you can browse through

http://www.epinions.com/bike-Components-All-Pumps

>> for some suggestions. One thing to keep in mind though; Some of
>> these gets *really* cold when you inflate a tire, so make sure you
>> wear gloves at least the first time you use it.

> I have a Superflate, which contains the cartridge in a plastic case,
> so the cold isn't a problem. It works great. Performance has a
> whole slew of them here:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop...=18&Sub_ID=4362

> But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus,
> every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you noticed,
money is no problem, or at least we don't mention it. My bicycling is
more important than a few measly bucks. What's yours?

Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make CO2
cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along the road
where there is puncture vine in the summer... way out there on Mines
Rd. beyond Mt Hamilton, where there is nothing, not even a useful cell
phone signal.

http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/hamcam/

Jobst Brandt
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Bob

On 17 Apr 2004 16:36:50 -0700, jstarr@peoplepc.com (Jeff Starr) wrote:

>"Gunny Bunny" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:<6qcgc.38501$vF3.2302798@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling them
>> quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link to some and any
>> recommendations on quality.

>> Thank you
>
>Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are ok. Be sure to
>get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
>cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for use
>with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag, on both
>my bikes:
>http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innova...traflate_ih.htm
>
>For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see link:
>http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_..._multi-Tool.htm
>
>It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers, spoke
>wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.
>
>Life is Good!
>Jeff

One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
the tire was finally topped off with co2 which took 2 secs....I had
never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also... Bob

Matt O'Toole

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

> Matt O'Toole writes:

>> But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus,
>> every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.
>
> Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you noticed,
> money is no problem, or at least we don't mention it. My bicycling is
> more important than a few measly bucks. What's yours?
>
> Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make CO2
> cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along the road
> where there is puncture vine in the summer... way out there on Mines
> Rd. beyond Mt Hamilton, where there is nothing, not even a useful cell
> phone signal.
>
> http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/hamcam/

Very pretty country! I miss California, but my part has been almost completely
paved over. Nothing left to miss...

Littering on road and trail really bugs me. I see it more often on the road --
CO2 cartridges and tubes, and energy bar wrappers. There's no excuse for this.
If you carried it out there, you can carry it back.

In the old days of mountain bike racing, a self-contained, carry-in, carry-out
rule was the norm. Seeing racers finishing on bare rims, with tires and tubes
slung over a shoulder, reinforced the no-litter philosophy. Sadly, this has
given way to "dirt criterium" style racing, with support crews and a throwaway
attitude, racers being too important to deal with such trivial nonsense as not
littering.

Matt O.

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Bob Broeking writes:

>>> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
>>> them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link
>>> to some and any recommendations on quality.

>> Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are OK. Be sure
>> to get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
>> cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for
>> use with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag,
>> on both my bikes:

http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innova...traflate_ih.htm

>> For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see
>> link:

http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_..._multi-Tool.htm

>> It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers,
>> spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
feature is a chain tool.

> One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
> fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
> the tire was finally topped off with CO2 which took 2 secs....I had
> never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also...

That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these days and
these speak for the miserable physical condition of many bicyclists
who are neither able to stop a bicycle with 4:1 ratio brakes ala
Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to pump a tire with a Silca Impero
frame fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly useless
mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that 4x easier to
pump except that they have no stroke either.

In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires often
with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on the road for their
lack of a usable pump other than some Cuban cigar sized device. Part
of a day's exercise in the days of tubulars with latex tubes was the
ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca Impero. It
is what moved me to design the concentric two stage pump that can fill
a tire in ten strokes. The drawings of which have been offered to any
machinist interested in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some biceps.

Jobst Brandt
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Matt O'Toole

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

> Bob Broeking writes:
>
>>>> I have heard there is a method of replacing tire tubes and filling
>>>> them quickly using a compressed air cartridge, anyone have a link
>>>> to some and any recommendations on quality.
>
>>> Hi, on the tire inflators, any made by Innovations are OK. Be sure
>>> to get one that allows you to use both threaded and unthreaded
>>> cartridges. The cartridges are cheaper, if you buy them boxed for
>>> use with paint or pellet guns. Here is the type I carry in a bag,
>>> on both my bikes:
>
> http://cambriabike.com/pumps/innova...traflate_ih.htm
>
>>> For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see
>>> link:
>
> http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_..._multi-Tool.htm
>
>>> It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers,
>>> spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.
>
> I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
> feature is a chain tool.

Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but after trying to fix
a chain with it I ditched it for a small Park chain tool. It took too much
effort to turn the handle. The handle is too short, and so is the tool itself,
to get any leverage. It worked, but it was a pain. I also like the Park's
second fin for loosening tight links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and
forth, but a chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9 is
minimalism gone amok.

Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a lot more effort to
drive out. If you're using an older-type chain, a tool like the Ritchey is
probably fine.

>> One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
>> fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
>> the tire was finally topped off with CO2 which took 2 secs....I had
>> never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also...
>
> That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these days and
> these speak for the miserable physical condition of many bicyclists
> who are neither able to stop a bicycle with 4:1 ratio brakes ala
> Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to pump a tire with a Silca Impero
> frame fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly useless
> mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that 4x easier to
> pump except that they have no stroke either.
>
> In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires often
> with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on the road for their
> lack of a usable pump other than some Cuban cigar sized device. Part
> of a day's exercise in the days of tubulars with latex tubes was the
> ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi with a Silca Impero. It
> is what moved me to design the concentric two stage pump that can fill
> a tire in ten strokes. The drawings of which have been offered to any
> machinist interested in building a fine piece of useful machinery.
>
> Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some biceps.

Good pumps are available, but there are too many lousy ones. How some of these
companies can take people's money for the shit they sell is beyond me. I
recommend a Zefal HPX, if it fits on your bike. Don't "go CO2" if you can carry
a good pump.

Matt O.

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Matt O'Toole writes:

>>>> For a compact multi- tool, I like the Crank Bros Micra-17, see
>>>> link:

http://cambriabike.com/tools/crank_..._multi-Tool.htm

>>>> It has all the hex key sizes that I seem to need, screw drivers,
>>>> spoke wrenches, and a chain tool. It is well made and very light.

>> I can say the same for the now extinct Ritchey CPR-9 whose main
>> feature is a chain tool.

> Your hands must be strong or mine weak. I have a CPR-9, but after
> trying to fix a chain with it I ditched it for a small Park chain
> tool. It took too much effort to turn the handle. The handle is
> too short, and so is the tool itself, to get any leverage. It
> worked, but it was a pain. I also like the Park's second fin for
> loosening tight links. Sure, you can flex the chain back and forth,
> but a chain tool with this feature is so much easier. The CPR-9 is
> minimalism gone amok.

That seems to be a common experience but before taking it on the road,
the chain tool thread should be lubricated. I gave it a dab of 90w
gear lube and turned it all the way in and back out. It saved my day
when I was on Gazos Creek (Big Basin State Park, closed to motor
traffic) road and got a derailleur stick in the chain. By removing a
section of chain, I could ride with that fixed length in 50-15 and
46-21 gears (vertical dropouts), just fine to get home from Pescadero,
a local coastal community. The derailleur was fatally busticated.

> Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a lot more effort to
> drive out. If you're using an older-type chain, a tool like the Ritchey is
> probably fine.

I don't ride that stuff for good reasons. Who needs 30 gears?

>>> One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
>>> fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and
>>> then the tire was finally topped off with CO2 which took 2
>>> secs....I had never considered it before but I may go to CO2
>>> also...

>> That speaks mainly of the poor pumps that are offered these days
>> and these speak for the miserable physical condition of many
>> bicyclists who are neither able to stop a bicycle with 4:1 ratio
>> brakes ala Campagnolo Record single pivot nor to pump a tire with a
>> Silca Impero frame fit pump. That has brought us a slew of nearly
>> useless mini-pumps with pistons with 1/4 the area of a Silca that
>> are 4x easier to pump except that they have no stroke either.

>> In the past many decades of bicycling I have pumped my tires often
>> with a Silca Impero pump and on occasion other's on the road for
>> their lack of a usable pump other than some Cuban cigar sized
>> device. Part of a day's exercise in the days of tubulars with
>> latex tubes was the ritual of daily pumping from 60psi to 100psi
>> with a Silca Impero. That is what moved me to design the
>> concentric two stage pump that can fill a tire in ten strokes. The
>> drawings of this pump have been offered to any machinist interested
>> in building a fine piece of useful machinery.

>> Get a frame fit pump that works, but first develop some biceps.

> Good pumps are available, but there are too many lousy ones. How
> some of these companies can take people's money for the shit they
> sell is beyond me. I recommend a Zefal HPX, if it fits on your
> bike. Don't "go CO2" if you can carry a good pump.

They can sell these pumps because people don't use them, so they never
know what junk they are carrying. They rely on their cell phones or
someone else to come along and pump. I have pumped enough of them.

Jobst Brandt
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org

Matt O'Toole

jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:

> That seems to be a common experience but before taking it on the road,
> the chain tool thread should be lubricated. I gave it a dab of 90w
> gear lube and turned it all the way in and back out.

I oiled mine too, but it didn't help enough. It works OK with a PC-48 chain,
but the latest generation are really peened good.

>> Newer chains have very securely peened pins, which take a lot more
>> effort to drive out. If you're using an older-type chain, a tool
>> like the Ritchey is probably fine.
>
> I don't ride that stuff for good reasons. Who needs 30 gears?

Me?

However, I appreciate your desire for simplicity, reliability, and
field-repairability.

Matt O.

David Damerell

Bob <bob_broeking@yahoo.com> wrote:
>One in our group had a flat at the 25 mile point today and much
>fussing was done with our small hand pumps, including mine, and then
>the tire was finally topped off with co2 which took 2 secs....I had
>never considered it before but I may go to CO2 also... Bob

Or you could get an HPX - no need for "much fussing" with one.
--
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Rick Onanian

>Matt O'Toole writes:
>> But what if you get more flats than you have cartridges? Plus,

A CO2 inflator _and_ a pump are complementary items. A combo like
the Innovations Slim Jim IH or their Second Wind is reasonable if
you intend to rely solely on CO2 with a pump only for emergencies.
Otherwise, a quality frame-fit pump can accompany any good CO2
inflator.

>> every time you get a flat it costs you an extra buck.

Yikes! You're spending $1 per cartridge? That's a lot! Even if you
only want to buy a few at a time, that's too much. A quick froogle
search reveals a 15-pack of 12 gram cartridges for $9, or a 25-pack
for $16.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:02:03 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
wrote:
>Hey! If you can't afford it, get outta here! Haven't you noticed,
>money is no problem, or at least we don't mention it. My bicycling is
>more important than a few measly bucks. What's yours?

For those willing to blow a half a dollar for each flat tire, it's
nice to spend less time pumping and more time riding.

>Of course there are practical reasons beyond cost that make CO2
>cartridges a bad choice. I see the little bullets along the road
>where there is puncture vine in the summer... way out there on Mines

Assuming you're talking about CO2 cartridge litter, how's that any
different from leaving a dead tube or a power bar wrapper? Only
jerks litter; the rest of us pack the garbage where it belongs.
--
Rick Onanian