Merckx critical of Ullrich

Charles Hizark

"Although Jan Ullrich maintains that he is right on target for his
Tour de France plans, there are concerns that he is taking things a
little too easy at this time of year. In today's Rund um Köln, Ullrich
could only manage 64th place at 5'41 down from the winner, a far cry
from his 52 km solo effort to win last year.

Ullrich joked afterwards that, "In 2003 I was an outsider and I was
only able to win because the others didn't recognise me in my Coast
jersey. However, it's a long time to the Tour and I'm on the right
track."

Five time Tour winner Eddy Merckx, who is never afraid to speak his
mind, told DPA, "It seems that Jan has again not worked hard enough in
his previous preparation and is still too much overweight. Sure, he
has still over two months, but to beat Lance Armstrong in the Tour
will be harder than 2003." "

I agree with Eddy time is getting shorrt for Jan. On the otherhand I
will be interesting see what kind of shape Armstrong is in after
training in the US. Personally I think Lance is taking a big risk by
training in the US and eliminating the Dauphine Libre from his
schedule. There is the slight chance that this could open the tdf for
a outsider to win.

Tom Kunich

"Charles Hizark" <hizark21@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I agree with Eddy time is getting shorrt for Jan. On the otherhand I
> will be interesting see what kind of shape Armstrong is in after
> training in the US. Personally I think Lance is taking a big risk by
> training in the US and eliminating the Dauphine Libre from his
> schedule. There is the slight chance that this could open the tdf for
> a outsider to win.

I would think that there's a good chance that he could develop a lot
stronger training in Colorado than he could in Spain or France. For one
thing the altitude is a quite a bit higher and for another, there's no media
to hound him or fans to break in his door for an autograph.

Robert Chung

Charles Hizark wrote:
> Personally I think Lance is taking a big risk by
> training in the US and eliminating the Dauphine Libre from his
> schedule.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm

Charles Hizark

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mRXec.8438$A_4.4494@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "Charles Hizark" <hizark21@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:86c248b3.0404131204.4fbbc367@posting.google.com...
> >
> > I agree with Eddy time is getting shorrt for Jan. On the otherhand I
> > will be interesting see what kind of shape Armstrong is in after
> > training in the US. Personally I think Lance is taking a big risk by
> > training in the US and eliminating the Dauphine Libre from his
> > schedule. There is the slight chance that this could open the tdf for
> > a outsider to win.
>
> I would think that there's a good chance that he could develop a lot
> stronger training in Colorado than he could in Spain or France. For one
> thing the altitude is a quite a bit higher and for another, there's no media
> to hound him or fans to break in his door for an autograph.
I just feel that Lance should stick to what has worked for him in the past.

kaiser

Not an option for a guy who wants to keep his kids. The ex will
definitely have lots of court ammo if he decides to prepare
exclusively in Europe.


> I just feel that Lance should stick to what has worked for him in the past.

David Wuertele

Robert> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm

"Lance Armstrong has decided to ride in this year's Dauphine Libere
race as he prepares to go for a record-equalling sixth Tour de France
title."

Record-equalling?

Didier A. Depireux

David Wuertele <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote:
> Robert> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm

> "Lance Armstrong has decided to ride in this year's Dauphine Libere
> race as he prepares to go for a record-equalling sixth Tour de France
> title."

> Record-equalling?

If it had not been for that stupid french spectator who hit him in the
stomach, Merckx would have won 6 times.

Didier

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Chris

"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Charles Hizark" <hizark21@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:86c248b3.0404131204.4fbbc367@posting.google.com...
> >
> > I agree with Eddy time is getting shorrt for Jan. On the otherhand I
> > will be interesting see what kind of shape Armstrong is in after
> > training in the US. Personally I think Lance is taking a big risk by
> > training in the US and eliminating the Dauphine Libre from his
> > schedule. There is the slight chance that this could open the tdf for
> > a outsider to win.
>
> I would think that there's a good chance that he could develop a lot
> stronger training in Colorado than he could in Spain or France. For one
> thing the altitude is a quite a bit higher and for another, there's no
media
> to hound him or fans to break in his door for an autograph.

Stronger training? The OP is correct. This is a risk no matter how you look
at it. He can't follow the same program because of his lifestyle changes.
This is not a calculated decision, it is a compromise. This will be the most
difficult Tour for Armstrong post-cancer.

Chris

"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c5hi57$1qqku$1@ID-226327.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Charles Hizark wrote:
> > Personally I think Lance is taking a big risk by
> > training in the US and eliminating the Dauphine Libre from his
> > schedule.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm

Yeah, if he can get a baby sitter. You can never count on a single father
being able to make a trip like that.

Carl Sundquist

"Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
>
> > "Lance Armstrong has decided to ride in this year's Dauphine Libere
> > race as he prepares to go for a record-equalling sixth Tour de France
> > title."
>
> > Record-equalling?
>

Is this another 'virtual' TdF win?

Charles Hizark

k_sultze@hotmail.com (kaiser) wrote in message news:<6fe15cc0.0404140603.33ccafd6@posting.google.com>...
> Not an option for a guy who wants to keep his kids. The ex will
> definitely have lots of court ammo if he decides to prepare
> exclusively in Europe.
>
I seriously doubt Lance will be able to have custody of his kids. How
can a judge possibly consider giving him custody when he is on the
road so much. In any case it's hard to find a better case to let the
wife have custody.
> > I just feel that Lance should stick to what has worked for him in the past.

Benjamin Weiner

Didier A. Depireux <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote:
> David Wuertele <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote:
> > Robert
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm

> > "Lance Armstrong has decided to ride in this year's Dauphine Libere
> > race as he prepares to go for a record-equalling sixth Tour de France
> > title."

> > Record-equalling?

> If it had not been for that stupid french spectator who hit him in the
> stomach, Merckx would have won 6 times.

Dr. Lafferty's famous article from 1995 in the "Annales Contrefactuale
du Cyclisme" convinced all serious cycling historians that Lemond
holds the Tour record with six wins, since he would surely have won
in 1985 had he not been unjustly repressed. 1987 and 1988 are obvious
givens, modulo Lemond's hunting accident. Lemond is thus without a
doubt the greatest virtual cyclist of all time.

A sixth Tour victory for Armstrong would reduce the importance
of this argument and Dr. Lafferty is very protective of his
citation count, which probably explains a few things you see
going on here.

Tom Kunich

"Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
news:407da501$1@darkstar...
> Didier A. Depireux <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote:
> > David Wuertele <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote:
> > > Robert
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm
>
> > > "Lance Armstrong has decided to ride in this year's Dauphine Libere
> > > race as he prepares to go for a record-equalling sixth Tour de France
> > > title."
>
> > > Record-equalling?
>
> > If it had not been for that stupid french spectator who hit him in the
> > stomach, Merckx would have won 6 times.
>
> Dr. Lafferty's famous article from 1995 in the "Annales Contrefactuale
> du Cyclisme" convinced all serious cycling historians that Lemond
> holds the Tour record with six wins, since he would surely have won
> in 1985 had he not been unjustly repressed. 1987 and 1988 are obvious
> givens, modulo Lemond's hunting accident. Lemond is thus without a
> doubt the greatest virtual cyclist of all time.
>
> A sixth Tour victory for Armstrong would reduce the importance
> of this argument and Dr. Lafferty is very protective of his
> citation count, which probably explains a few things you see
> going on here.

Ergo for Lance it's just drugs.

Nev Shea

Benjamin Weiner <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in
news:407da501$1@darkstar:

> Didier A. Depireux <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote:
>> David Wuertele <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote:
>> > Robert
>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oth...ing/3542415.stm
>
>> > "Lance Armstrong has decided to ride in this year's Dauphine Libere
>> > race as he prepares to go for a record-equalling sixth Tour de
>> > France title."
>
>> > Record-equalling?
>
>> If it had not been for that stupid french spectator who hit him in
>> the stomach, Merckx would have won 6 times.
>
> Dr. Lafferty's famous article from 1995 in the "Annales Contrefactuale
> du Cyclisme" convinced all serious cycling historians that Lemond
> holds the Tour record with six wins, since he would surely have won
> in 1985 had he not been unjustly repressed. 1987 and 1988 are obvious
> givens, modulo Lemond's hunting accident. Lemond is thus without a
> doubt the greatest virtual cyclist of all time.
>
> A sixth Tour victory for Armstrong would reduce the importance
> of this argument and Dr. Lafferty is very protective of his
> citation count, which probably explains a few things you see
> going on here.


Lemond's virtual victories count more than Armstrong's actual victories,
because Armstrong's wins are tainted by the use of a performance
enhancing disease called cancer. Before he got cancer, Armstrong was not
a GC threat in Grand Tours, but then he used the disease to drop
unwanted weight and enhance his performance in the mountains. This is no
different than using EPO or other performance enhancing products.

Therefore, Armstrong + cancer = cheating. Lemond's virtual victories are
the true record.

NS