Eurosport: England not on an Island

Davey Crockett

[QUOTING EUROSPORT]


The 2005 Tour de France will start in the French Atlantic coast region of Vendee, with a first stage time trial on the island of Noirmoutier on July 2. "The first stage is very exciting," Tour director Jean Marie Leblanc said on Thursday.

The first stage, which replaces the traditional prologue (8 kilometres maximum), takes place in the form of a 19 km time trial, from Fromentine to the island of Noirmoutier in Vendee -- home of French team Brioches la Boulangere.

The intriguing course includes the bridge of Noirmoutier, which connects the island to the main land.

Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron.

The complete itinerary of the 2005 Tour will be presented at the end of October 2004 in Paris.

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Steve McGinty

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:59:59 GMT, Davey Crockett
<Davey_Crockett@rogers.com> wrote:

>[QUOTING EUROSPORT]
>
>
>The 2005 Tour de France will start in the French Atlantic coast region of Vendee, with a first stage time trial on the island of Noirmoutier on July 2. "The first stage is very exciting," Tour director Jean Marie Leblanc said on Thursday.
>
>The first stage, which replaces the traditional prologue (8 kilometres maximum), takes place in the form of a 19 km time trial, from Fromentine to the island of Noirmoutier in Vendee -- home of French team Brioches la Boulangere.
>
>The intriguing course includes the bridge of Noirmoutier, which connects the island to the main land.
>
>Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron.
>
>The complete itinerary of the 2005 Tour will be presented at the end of October 2004 in Paris.
>
>[ENDQUOTE]

Ditto Ireland then.

Regards!
Stephen

Steven L. Sheffield

On 04/30/2004 12:20 AM, in article
k0s390pslbe15k8li1smu53hecsllem7o2@4ax.com, "Steve McGinty"
<steve_DOT_mcginty@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:59:59 GMT, Davey Crockett
> <Davey_Crockett@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> [QUOTING EUROSPORT]
>>
>>
>> The 2005 Tour de France will start in the French Atlantic coast region of
>> Vendee, with a first stage time trial on the island of Noirmoutier on July 2.
>> "The first stage is very exciting," Tour director Jean Marie Leblanc said on
>> Thursday.
>>
>> The first stage, which replaces the traditional prologue (8 kilometres
>> maximum), takes place in the form of a 19 km time trial, from Fromentine to
>> the island of Noirmoutier in Vendee -- home of French team Brioches la
>> Boulangere.
>>
>> The intriguing course includes the bridge of Noirmoutier, which connects the
>> island to the main land.
>>
>> Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the
>> Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron.
>>
>> The complete itinerary of the 2005 Tour will be presented at the end of
>> October 2004 in Paris.
>>
>> [ENDQUOTE]
>
> Ditto Ireland then.
>
> Regards!
> Stephen



If an island is merely a section of land completely surrounded by water,
then I guess North & South America are an island as well! Actually, two
islands, since we now have the Panama Canal separating the two continents.
And the Europe/Asia/Africa complex is the world's largest island!

In the case of the English and Irish stages of the Tour in recent years, the
individual stages didn't start on the mainland and finish on the island, now
did they?




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John Rees

"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote in message
news:BCB78F5C.2E841%stevens@veloworks.com...
| On 04/30/2004 12:20 AM, in article
| k0s390pslbe15k8li1smu53hecsllem7o2@4ax.com, "Steve McGinty"
| <steve_DOT_mcginty@ntlworld.com> wrote:
|
| > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:59:59 GMT, Davey Crockett
| > <Davey_Crockett@rogers.com> wrote:
| >
| >> [QUOTING EUROSPORT]
| >>
| >>
| >> The 2005 Tour de France will start in the French Atlantic coast
region of
| >> Vendee, with a first stage time trial on the island of Noirmoutier
on July 2.
| >> "The first stage is very exciting," Tour director Jean Marie
Leblanc said on
| >> Thursday.
| >>
| >> The first stage, which replaces the traditional prologue (8
kilometres
| >> maximum), takes place in the form of a 19 km time trial, from
Fromentine to
| >> the island of Noirmoutier in Vendee -- home of French team Brioches
la
| >> Boulangere.
| >>
| >> The intriguing course includes the bridge of Noirmoutier, which
connects the
| >> island to the main land.
| >>
| >> Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the
history of the
| >> Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron.
| >>
| >> The complete itinerary of the 2005 Tour will be presented at the
end of
| >> October 2004 in Paris.
| >>
| >> [ENDQUOTE]
| >
| > Ditto Ireland then.
| >
| > Regards!
| > Stephen
|
|
|
| If an island is merely a section of land completely surrounded by
water,
| then I guess North & South America are an island as well! Actually,
two
| islands, since we now have the Panama Canal separating the two
continents.
| And the Europe/Asia/Africa complex is the world's largest island!
|
| In the case of the English and Irish stages of the Tour in recent
years, the
| individual stages didn't start on the mainland and finish on the
island, now
| did they?

Wouldn't it be cool to have a TTT in the channel tunnel? Close it down
to trains for the day, and let em rip! There would be no complaints
about some teams getting different weather than others. No dogs, angry
farmers or trade unions to worry about. Probably as flat as a pancake.

Scratch the closing the train idea. How about running a spectator
service following the riders using flatbed rail cars pulled by a
electric locomotives

You could watch them in person like you were watching from home.

Boy, that would be cool.

Richard Adams

Steven L. Sheffield wrote:

> On 04/30/2004 12:20 AM, in article
> k0s390pslbe15k8li1smu53hecsllem7o2@4ax.com, "Steve McGinty"
> <steve_DOT_mcginty@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:59:59 GMT, Davey Crockett
>><Davey_Crockett@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>[QUOTING EUROSPORT]
>>>
>>>
>>>The 2005 Tour de France will start in the French Atlantic coast region of
>>>Vendee, with a first stage time trial on the island of Noirmoutier on July 2.
>>>"The first stage is very exciting," Tour director Jean Marie Leblanc said on
>>>Thursday.
>>>
>>>The first stage, which replaces the traditional prologue (8 kilometres
>>>maximum), takes place in the form of a 19 km time trial, from Fromentine to
>>>the island of Noirmoutier in Vendee -- home of French team Brioches la
>>>Boulangere.
>>>
>>>The intriguing course includes the bridge of Noirmoutier, which connects the
>>>island to the main land.
>>>
>>>Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the
>>>Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron.
>>>
>>>The complete itinerary of the 2005 Tour will be presented at the end of
>>>October 2004 in Paris.
>>>
>>>[ENDQUOTE]
>>
>>Ditto Ireland then.

I don't get it, where's the connection in the article to England? All I
know is for 2005 there wasn't going to be a London start and Ken
Livingstone is trying again.

The good news is this doesn't include the foolish half submerged road
which caused so much carnage in 1999.

>>Regards!
>>Stephen
>
> If an island is merely a section of land completely surrounded by water,
> then I guess North & South America are an island as well! Actually, two
> islands, since we now have the Panama Canal separating the two continents.
> And the Europe/Asia/Africa complex is the world's largest island!

Greenland is an island.

> In the case of the English and Irish stages of the Tour in recent years, the
> individual stages didn't start on the mainland and finish on the island, now
> did they?

Why not race through the Chunnel! Helmets with lamps, etc.

Ok, it's a silly idea, but no less than considering Montreal, Can. or
NYC as starts.

Richard Adams

Davey Crockett <Davey_Crockett@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<873c6m8k5q.fsf@cpe000423176ea9-cm0f2069983361.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> [QUOTING EUROSPORT]
>
>
> The 2005 Tour de France will start in the French Atlantic coast region of Vendee, with a first stage time trial on the island of Noirmoutier on July 2. "The first stage is very exciting," Tour director Jean Marie Leblanc said on Thursday.
>
> The first stage, which replaces the traditional prologue (8 kilometres maximum), takes place in the form of a 19 km time trial, from Fromentine to the island of Noirmoutier in Vendee -- home of French team Brioches la Boulangere.
>
> The intriguing course includes the bridge of Noirmoutier, which connects the island to the main land.
>
> Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron.
>
> The complete itinerary of the 2005 Tour will be presented at the end of October 2004 in Paris.
>
> [ENDQUOTE]


England is a constituent country of Britain, same as Wales and Scotland are. :-)

Davey Crockett

ackthpt@concentric.net (Richard Adams) writes:

> England is a constituent country of Britain, same as Wales and Scotland are. :-)

No argument from me there, except to give the old homestead its correct name of Great Britain although exactly what comprises Great Britain is still open to argument. But my point wasn't directly geographical. It was to challenge the Eurosport statement regarding the finish location of Tour de France stages.

>> Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the
>> Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Olron.


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Davey Crockett

"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> writes:

> In the case of the English and Irish stages of the Tour in recent years, the
> individual stages didn't start on the mainland and finish on the island, now
> did they?
>

>>> Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the
>>> Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Oléron. [EUROSPORT - written by a LimeJuicer who really ought to have known better]

I was merely challenging the above statement without any particular regard to where the stage might have started

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Davey Crockett

Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net> writes:

>
> I don't get it, where's the connection in the article to England? All I know is for 2005 there wasn't going to be a London
> start and Ken Livingstone is trying again.

Hmm. I thought I dealt with that one in a coupla earlier posts although I wasn't, at the time I made the original post, contemplating Eire (Free State of Ireland) and would hope nobody thought the omission was intentional.

>
> The good news is this doesn't include the foolish half submerged road which caused so much carnage in 1999.
>
> Why not race through the Chunnel! Helmets with lamps, etc.
>
> Ok, it's a silly idea, but no less than considering Montreal, Can. or NYC as starts.

Well yes. Logistically an extra-european start and/or finish is exceedingly difficult to manage. Just ask the Womens Tour de France organizers.

But on the other hand, if you want to truly internationalize cycling, some of these obstacles will have to be overcome by hook or by crook.

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Stewart Fleming

Davey Crockett wrote:

> ackthpt@concentric.net (Richard Adams) writes:
>
>
>>England is a constituent country of Britain, same as Wales and Scotland are. :-)
>
>
> No argument from me there, except to give the old homestead its correct name of Great Britain although exactly what comprises Great Britain is still open to argument. But my point wasn't directly geographical. It was to challenge the Eurosport statement regarding the finish location of Tour de France stages.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is even more accurate.

Richard Adams

Davey Crockett wrote:

> ackthpt@concentric.net (Richard Adams) writes:
>
>
>>England is a constituent country of Britain, same as Wales and Scotland are. :-)
>
>
> No argument from me there, except to give the old homestead its correct name of Great Britain although exactly what comprises Great Britain is still open to argument. But my point wasn't directly geographical. It was to challenge the Eurosport statement regarding the finish location of Tour de France stages.
>
>
>>>Only one stage arrival has been featured on an island in the history of the
>>>Tour de France -- back in 1983 in Olron.

To nit-pick media on such a trivial thing is certainly what rbr is for :-)

I have to admit I've always been a bit puzzled by the interchangability
of England/Britain/UK, and so on. Probably a good idea to have it right
if visiting Scotland or Wales.

"Scotland, England it's all the same, right buddy?"

Bonk!

TritonRider

>From: Richard Adams ackthpt@concentric.net

>"Scotland, England it's all the same, right buddy?"
>
>Bonk!

Other than the fact that Scotland may very well be free again through the
peacefull political process shortly, and I'm not gonna go into N. Ireland
though this is about the only place my sympathies match the Kennedy clan.
Bill C

Tom Schulenburg

"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
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><SNIP>
> I have to admit I've always been a bit puzzled by the interchangability
> of England/Britain/UK, and so on. Probably a good idea to have it right
> if visiting Scotland or Wales.
>
> "Scotland, England it's all the same, right buddy?"
>
> Bonk!
>


England, Scotland and Wales make up Great Britain. Great Britain and
Northern Ireland make up the United Kingdom.

-T

SMMB

"Tom Schulenburg" <tschulenYOUR@HATpacbell.net> a écrit dans le message de :
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>
> "Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:c6vc47$qds@dispatch.concentric.net...
> ><SNIP>
> > I have to admit I've always been a bit puzzled by the interchangability
> > of England/Britain/UK, and so on. Probably a good idea to have it right
> > if visiting Scotland or Wales.
> >
> > "Scotland, England it's all the same, right buddy?"
> >
> > Bonk!
> >
>
>
> England, Scotland and Wales make up Great Britain. Great Britain and
> Northern Ireland make up the United Kingdom.
>
Looking back on the entire day, perhaps week, this was the key bit of
information I simply did not have, and now I am richer for it. Thanks.
Absolutely no irony intended - I am just not familiar with the UK, et c.,
although the Scots I know keep reminding me that their legal system is
closer to mine than to England's, as it is based also on Justinian.

Sliante ! Bonne route,

Sandy
Paris FR