OLN TDF 04 in Hi-Def?

David Wuertele

I saw a full-page ad by OLN in Multichannel News, with the tag line
"You haven't seen DOMINATION Till you've seen it in HI_DEF". It went
on to say: "Witness Lance's drive for a record-shattering sixth Tour
de France victory in Hi-Def---OLN's first of many exclusive Hi-Def
programs---and see where the glory is born."

Does anyone know how OLN will broadcast Hi-Def? I get OLN on Dish
Network, and I have a Hi-Def tuner, but I haven't heard anything about
a Hi-Def OLN. Will this be available on Dish?

Dave

Wannagofast

This will be real interesting as it appears the signal from the motos and
the choppers are always breaking up, I wonder if it will be possible to
sustain a digital signal through the trees, otherwise it will be the analog
signal over HDTV and don't expect the broadcast method to improve the
quality if it were not already captured in HDTV.

Simply put, I think not.


"David Wuertele" <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote in message
news:m33c6e8js2.fsf@bfnet.com...
> I saw a full-page ad by OLN in Multichannel News, with the tag line
> "You haven't seen DOMINATION Till you've seen it in HI_DEF". It went
> on to say: "Witness Lance's drive for a record-shattering sixth Tour
> de France victory in Hi-Def---OLN's first of many exclusive Hi-Def
> programs---and see where the glory is born."
>
> Does anyone know how OLN will broadcast Hi-Def? I get OLN on Dish
> Network, and I have a Hi-Def tuner, but I haven't heard anything about
> a Hi-Def OLN. Will this be available on Dish?
>
> Dave

Curtis L. Russell

On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:51:16 GMT, "Wannagofast"
<chris1207@somewhere.com> wrote:

>and don't expect the broadcast method to improve the
>quality if it were not already captured in HDTV.

It does if it is on a large screen HD TV, as is usually the case.
Analog to HD doesn't improve the picture vis-a-vis seeing it on a
normal aspect TV, but it doesn't deteriorate from the low grade
scanning on the larger TV. So analog to HD helps if you want simply to
see a decent picture on a large screen.


Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

jim gravity

Do you really want to see Bob or Kirsten in hi-def? I hear all the tv
make-up people are scrambling to find new and better makeups, because
all the old methods either don't work well enough with hi-def, or that
with hi-def the makeup itself becomes more visible.

It is a really big problem in the porn industry.



--

Chris

"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@the-md-russells.org> wrote in message
news:s82k90t1chhhbqffidp9f80gjs0vdcek45@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:51:16 GMT, "Wannagofast"
> <chris1207@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> >and don't expect the broadcast method to improve the
> >quality if it were not already captured in HDTV.
>
> It does if it is on a large screen HD TV, as is usually the case.
> Analog to HD doesn't improve the picture vis-a-vis seeing it on a
> normal aspect TV, but it doesn't deteriorate from the low grade
> scanning on the larger TV. So analog to HD helps if you want simply to
> see a decent picture on a large screen.


Say what? Please be specific if you have any idea about what you are talking
about. BTW, HDTV has several standards of quality and the lowest is about
the equivalent of watching a DVD. I have seen the DVDs from WCP and there is
no question that the typical broadcanst signal can be improved by using
either HDTV or a DVD. The issue is that when there is a signal breakup it is
edited out for the videos (normally) and this can't easily be done while
live unless that add at least one more camera to switch to when this
happens. Multiple cameras allow removing the lowest quality feeds by giving
the producers alternate (and hopefully not breaking up) cameras. The signal
breakup has really nothing to do with the quality of the signal when it is
not broken up. It does not break because of quality or bandwidth issues.
Maybe you people are thinking in terms of packets (Internet) but it is not
the same at all.

>
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Richard Adams

David Wuertele <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote in message news:<m33c6e8js2.fsf@bfnet.com>...
> I saw a full-page ad by OLN in Multichannel News, with the tag line
> "You haven't seen DOMINATION Till you've seen it in HI_DEF". It went
> on to say: "Witness Lance's drive for a record-shattering sixth Tour
> de France victory in Hi-Def---OLN's first of many exclusive Hi-Def
> programs---and see where the glory is born."
>
> Does anyone know how OLN will broadcast Hi-Def? I get OLN on Dish
> Network, and I have a Hi-Def tuner, but I haven't heard anything about
> a Hi-Def OLN. Will this be available on Dish?
>
> Dave

As per usual though (sorry to bring this ugly subject up, again) will
CBS pre-empt coverage of those stages you most want to drool over in
magnificent ultra high resolution and 5.1 Liggett-o-phonic sound, only
to present in Cheez-O-Rama Condense-O-Vision down to 40 minutes of
coverage (leaving out a great many good bits and focusing totally on
Armstrong instead of some of the other competitors we've grown to know
and love, like the Moreau vs. Sastre dustup)

Seems a bit like getting that triple fudge sundae you always wanted as
a kid, but on the condition you accept a dead cockroach on top in
place of the cherry.

Richard Adams

jim gravity <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<KSrmc.9302$nQ5.6817@fe30.usenetserver.com>...
> Do you really want to see Bob or Kirsten in hi-def? I hear all the tv
> make-up people are scrambling to find new and better makeups, because
> all the old methods either don't work well enough with hi-def, or that
> with hi-def the makeup itself becomes more visible.
>
> It is a really big problem in the porn industry.

You'd think with all the high tech gizmos at their disposal today,
that there would be something to fuzz or soften images. Maybe a
little D/A then back A/D for a little loss of definition (that would
be the cheap way, for big bucks go buy a piece of hardware and program
up something to do the same thing.) All we need is the actual race
footage in Hi-Def.

Tom Nakashima

> jim gravity <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:<KSrmc.9302$nQ5.6817@fe30.usenetserver.com>...
> > Do you really want to see Bob or Kirsten in hi-def? I hear all the tv
> > make-up people are scrambling to find new and better makeups, because
> > all the old methods either don't work well enough with hi-def, or that
> > with hi-def the makeup itself becomes more visible.
>

We just came off an old RCA console from '81, where the colors were starting
to turn green.
So I recently purchased a wall mounted 46" HD Plasma with surround sound.
Looking forward to watching the Giro d'Italia this weekend.
It was overwhelming at first to see Bob's giant face on the big screen.
-tom

Richard Adams

"Tom Nakashima" <tom@slac.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<c7dvja$2ce$1@news.Stanford.EDU>...
> > jim gravity <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:<KSrmc.9302$nQ5.6817@fe30.usenetserver.com>...
> > > Do you really want to see Bob or Kirsten in hi-def? I hear all the tv
> > > make-up people are scrambling to find new and better makeups, because
> > > all the old methods either don't work well enough with hi-def, or that
> > > with hi-def the makeup itself becomes more visible.
> >
>
> We just came off an old RCA console from '81, where the colors were starting
> to turn green.
> So I recently purchased a wall mounted 46" HD Plasma with surround sound.
> Looking forward to watching the Giro d'Italia this weekend.
> It was overwhelming at first to see Bob's giant face on the big screen.
> -tom

Apparently my local cable company now has OLN. I wonder how fast I can get service.

Curtis L. Russell

On Thu, 6 May 2004 07:29:02 -0700, "Chris"
<chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote:

>ay what? Please be specific if you have any idea about what you are talking
>about. BTW, HDTV has several standards of quality and the lowest is about
>the equivalent of watching a DVD.

I hope that isn't supposed to be some big revelation. All HD movie
broadcasts have done is made me realize that all my money in DVDs is
temporary - when the new super DVD comes out, I'll be buying them all
over again...

Anyway

Not all programming seen on HDTV starts out as a HD quality recording.
The quicker it is a digital format with HD density, the better it will
resemble the original feed. For the end-user, the issue also means
that as long as the last station transmitting has the ability to send
it on a HD channel and sends it for the HD full screen aspect and
digital signal, it will look better than the same station's feed on
the normal channel when viewing it on a large screen HDTV..

It means that the 20-30 % of the newscast feed that is not HD in
quality doesn't drive me up a wall everytime it is shown in full
screen on the HD channel. It is obviously not targetted for HDTVs, but
it comes from the last station in a signal that is received and
displayed for my HDTV through the digital TV feed. Definitely not what
the salesperson shows you to sell the TV, but also definitely a very
good picture on a large screen.

Flip to the same broadcast on the regular channel and you have to step
back a few steps to be able to focus, or you have to play with the
aspect settings to get it approximately as good (but never as good) as
what you would see on the HD channel.

I'll repeat - if OLN has a HD channel and that channel is resending
the final channel feed in a digital form for HDTVs, it will look
better on the HD channel on a large screen HDTV than the same feed
from OLN on a regular channel.

Not theory. Can show it to you any day on the three local channel news
casts.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Chris

"Richard Adams" <ackthpt@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:c2352af0.0405060942.7236595a@posting.google.com...
> jim gravity <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:<KSrmc.9302$nQ5.6817@fe30.usenetserver.com>...
> > Do you really want to see Bob or Kirsten in hi-def? I hear all the tv
> > make-up people are scrambling to find new and better makeups, because
> > all the old methods either don't work well enough with hi-def, or that
> > with hi-def the makeup itself becomes more visible.
> >
> > It is a really big problem in the porn industry.
>
> You'd think with all the high tech gizmos at their disposal today,
> that there would be something to fuzz or soften images. Maybe a
> little D/A then back A/D for a little loss of definition (that would
> be the cheap way, for big bucks go buy a piece of hardware and program
> up something to do the same thing.) All we need is the actual race
> footage in Hi-Def.

Or that we will get accustomed to seeing things more clearly, like as in
real life?

David Wuertele

Me> Does anyone know how OLN will broadcast Hi-Def? I get OLN on Dish
Me> Network, and I have a Hi-Def tuner, but I haven't heard anything
Me> about a Hi-Def OLN. Will this be available on Dish?

I called OLN and they said that the only HiDef is the Lance
Chronicles, and that the TDF would definitely not be HiDef.
Apparently the HiDef version of the Lance Chronicles is only available
on some cable networks, no satellites.

Sorry for the false alarm.

Dave

Hank Barta

David Wuertele <dave-gnus@bfnet.com> wrote:
>
> I called OLN and they said that the only HiDef is the Lance
> Chronicles, and that the TDF would definitely not be HiDef.
> Apparently the HiDef version of the Lance Chronicles is only available
> on some cable networks, no satellites.

The Lance Chronicles started playing this week (first I noticed,
anyway) on the INHD stations in the Chicago area. These are as near
as I can tell demo stations which have played some pretty bland
stuff. (Lots of aerial footage of various parts of the world with
elevator muzak, but their programming is improving.) Looks like
they get Lance in exchange for running commercials of bull riding.

INHD advertises themselves as "cable only."