Does anybody outside of Italy give a damn about the Giro?

Ronde Champ

Hey,

The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
I've seen how many people are up in arms when The Tour(France) lets a
meager French team or two in the very international field. But when
you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
is usually with their younger developmental riders.
Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes. Invite
more nations to participate. Oh, and maybe move the event northwest
about 1000 kilometers, too.

Thanks,
Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)

Dave

"Ronde Champ" <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com...
> Hey,
>
> The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
> considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
> I've seen how many people are up in arms when The Tour(France) lets a
> meager French team or two in the very international field. But when
> you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
> When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
> is usually with their younger developmental riders.
> Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
> Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
> come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
> Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
> the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
> really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
> Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
> race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
> primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes. Invite
> more nations to participate. Oh, and maybe move the event northwest
> about 1000 kilometers, too.
>
> Thanks,
> Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)

Nice troll
Dave

Ward

Ronde Champ pushed the following through the cable:
But when
> you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
> When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
> is usually with their younger developmental riders.

75 italians this year
10 belgians
10 swiss
9 ukrains
9 slovenes

35 riders (of 169) younger then 25

ok, so you're right :-)


> Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
> Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
> come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.


euhm, i don't know about the american races, but you are seriously
underestimating level of the Giro, my friend.
Hills are steaper then in the tour (!!), so called flat stages aren't
flat at all (<=> TDF), and giro average is not less then TDF average.
Giro is generally considered to be the 2nd most though stage race after
the TDF. It's true that commercially TDF is more interesting, but this
has grown with time...because of holiday period in summer.
As a cycling fan i am not interested in commercial stuff, only in sport
performances.

> Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
> the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
> really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
> Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
> race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
> primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes.

Giro is broadcasted daily with 95-100km to go (pan-european broadcast).
I guess that's as early as TDF.
I guess in the states you might thave the idea only TDF is important,
but personally i think this is only so in the states. europeans really
consider races like Giro important too.

best regards

Ward
(not-italian)

pete salomone

I do; it protects my head when I ride.

Ronde Champ wrote:

> Hey,
>
> The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
> considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
> I've seen how many people are up in arms when The Tour(France) lets a
> meager French team or two in the very international field. But when
> you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
> When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
> is usually with their younger developmental riders.
> Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
> Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
> come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
> Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
> the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
> really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
> Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
> race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
> primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes. Invite
> more nations to participate. Oh, and maybe move the event northwest
> about 1000 kilometers, too.
>
> Thanks,
> Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)

Faster Bordello

> Giro is broadcasted daily with 95-100km to go (pan-european broadcast).
> I guess that's as early as TDF.

To the OP nice troll. The major disafection most teams have witht he
Giro is that it only (in the past) goes out on terrestrial TV (No
satelite...) Thus many countries (Spain) don't get the coverage
and the sponcers don't see the value of sending their teams.

Tom Kunich

"Dave" <dhansen2@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2_snc.9367$BG1.8465@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Ronde Champ" <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com...
> > Hey,
> >
> > The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
> > considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
> > Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)
>
> Nice troll

See what you're reduced to doing for attention when you're pussy whipped?

Kenny

Ward <ward.blanckeNOSP@Mskynet.be> wrote in message news:<409e5d74$0$22816$a0ced6e1@news.skynet.be>...
> Ronde Champ pushed the following through the cable:
> But when
> > you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
> > When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
> > is usually with their younger developmental riders.
>
> 75 italians this year
> 10 belgians
> 10 swiss
> 9 ukrains
> 9 slovenes
>
> 35 riders (of 169) younger then 25
>
> ok, so you're right :-)
>
>
> > Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
> > Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
> > come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> > a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> > get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> > gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> > do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> > for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
>
>
> euhm, i don't know about the american races, but you are seriously
> underestimating level of the Giro, my friend.
> Hills are steaper then in the tour (!!), so called flat stages aren't
> flat at all (<=> TDF), and giro average is not less then TDF average.
> Giro is generally considered to be the 2nd most though stage race after
> the TDF. It's true that commercially TDF is more interesting, but this
> has grown with time...because of holiday period in summer.
> As a cycling fan i am not interested in commercial stuff, only in sport
> performances.
>
> > Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
> > the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
> > really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
> > Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
> > race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
> > primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes.
>
> Giro is broadcasted daily with 95-100km to go (pan-european broadcast).
> I guess that's as early as TDF.
> I guess in the states you might thave the idea only TDF is important,
> but personally i think this is only so in the states. europeans really
> consider races like Giro important too.
>
> best regards
>
> Ward
> (not-italian)

This is a correct answer to a troll of which i first thought that it
was almost unpossible to be written by a man who doesn't have
braindammage.

curt

I am enjoying it and live in the US. Thanks for asking.

Curt

"Ronde Champ" <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com...
> Hey,
>
> The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
> considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
> I've seen how many people are up in arms when The Tour(France) lets a
> meager French team or two in the very international field. But when
> you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
> When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
> is usually with their younger developmental riders.
> Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
> Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
> come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
> Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
> the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
> really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
> Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
> race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
> primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes. Invite
> more nations to participate. Oh, and maybe move the event northwest
> about 1000 kilometers, too.
>
> Thanks,
> Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)

Richard Adams

I'm slightly obsessed with it. This weekend's local pro race provided a
diversion, but it's going to be Giro and anything else I can follow
for the rest of the summer.

curt wrote:
> I am enjoying it and live in the US. Thanks for asking.
>
> Curt
>
> "Ronde Champ" <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com...
>
>>Hey,
>>
>> The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
>>considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
>> I've seen how many people are up in arms when The Tour(France) lets a
>>meager French team or two in the very international field. But when
>>you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
>>When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
>>is usually with their younger developmental riders.
>> Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
>>Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
>>come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
>>a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
>>get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
>>gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
>>do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
>>for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
>> Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
>>the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
>>really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
>> Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
>>race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
>>primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes. Invite
>>more nations to participate. Oh, and maybe move the event northwest
>>about 1000 kilometers, too.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)
>
>
>

BVM

This is what is so awesome about the 3 major tours. You've got stage
races everyday from early May to late September with a few weeks'
break in between them for a breather. Then there is a developing story
almost everyday. And to think I almost picked Pollack on my
Performance fantasy team, but declined because he was $400.

On 09 May 2004 22:36:10 EDT, Richard Adams <ackthpt@concentric.net>
wrote:

>I'm slightly obsessed with it. This weekend's local pro race provided a
> diversion, but it's going to be Giro and anything else I can follow
>for the rest of the summer.

Kyle Legate

Dave wrote:
> "Ronde Champ" <rondechamp@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ronde Champ (formerly known as ronde chumpion)
>
> Nice troll
> Dave
>
Not really; too obvious.

4/10

K. J. Papai

rondechamp@aol.com (Ronde Champ) wrote in message news:<152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com>...
> Hey,
>
> The Tour of Italy has a LONG way to go before it should ever can be
> considered on the same level as The Tour de France.
> I've seen how many people are up in arms when The Tour(France) lets a
> meager French team or two in the very international field. But when
> you compare that to the Giro(Italy), and most of the teams are I-tie.
> When teams from other countries do actually participate in Italy, it
> is usually with their younger developmental riders.
> Everybody knows they ride at about 21-21 mph most of the day in the
> Giro. It's an organized training ride for the Tour. When the camera's
> come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
> Also, please consider that none of my co-workers have even heard of
> the Tour of Italy. So I guess Tyler getting 2nd there a few years back
> really didn't have the same impact as winning The Tour 5 times.
> Here's my suggestion to the promoters of the Tour of Italy. Move the
> race to July. Require the riders to go fast all day. Use incentives,
> primes, switch on the TV cameras earlier, whatever it takes. Invite
> more nations to participate. Oh, and maybe move the event northwest
> about 1000 kilometers, too.

Chump,
If you look at the averages since 1988 you will find the average speeds
for the Giro are not that much different (which you claim) than the Tour.

Look it up.

-Ken

Kenny

rondechamp@aol.com (Ronde Champ) wrote in message news:<152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com>...

> When the camera's come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and puffing to put on
> a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.

I don't think any US events racer will ever kick Damiano Cunego's ass

Tom Kunich

"Kenny" <gelei2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47493688.0405110204.39c093aa@posting.google.com...
> rondechamp@aol.com (Ronde Champ) wrote in message
news:<152f6cbe.0405090701.51c1fe96@posting.google.com>...
>
> > When the camera's come on in the last hour, they all start huffing and
puffing to put on
> > a good show, and the winner is usually a sprinter that probably would
> > get his ASS kicked if he tried racing in the US. I mean, he's only
> > gifted at going fast for an hour, not like the 3-5 hours the Americans
> > do in their races. It's fact that US races never ride "Piano" (20 mph
> > for hours on end). The US events are ballistic from the gun.
>
> I don't think any US events racer will ever kick Damiano Cunego's ass

Perhaps you might have noticed that those guys who retired from the Euro
peloton and came back here weren't able to have a soft American season or
two. Kiffel, Vaughters and the like gave racing here a try and found out
that the peloton here may not race over the most difficult terrain in the
world but you still have to be a Mario Cipollini to win the sprints and you
have to be a Marco Pantani to win the climbs. They retired posthaste since
it was readily apparent that this wouldn't be an friendly couple of years of
riding at the front and making easy money.