Millar Speaks on Doping - Armstrong

Originally Posted by Ted B

David Millar might have taken a huge swan dive in terms of ethics, future possibilities, etc etc, but at least he has decided to come clean and at least try to make amends for mistakes. In an interview with ProCycling, Millar makes a number of intriguing comments, maybe not revelations, but he emphasizes some facts that sometimes need underlining.

"There aren't drugs that do what Lance is doing. Lance could be on all the drugs in the world, but they don't do that. I know they don't do that. He's a force of nature."

"I know who does and doesn't and I know what doping does and doesn't do, and there are no miracle products. It doesn't make a donkey into a thoroughbred."

To curb some fears, it seems like Millar is pretty confident that the entire pro peloton is not on drugs. That's a relief, but the fact is, we will never know the extent of the problem of doping. Millar is surely not going to sit down and write a list out of all of the people he knows that are doped, he might be coming clean, but calling out names might be a bit too much to expect. There will be sporadic outbreaks of revelations and findings, but doping will forever remain cycling's dirty little secret.


From: www.pezcyclingnews.com

Originally Posted by Ted B

David Millar might have taken a huge swan dive in terms of ethics, future possibilities, etc etc, but at least he has decided to come clean and at least try to make amends for mistakes. In an interview with ProCycling, Millar makes a number of intriguing comments, maybe not revelations, but he emphasizes some facts that sometimes need underlining.

"There aren't drugs that do what Lance is doing. Lance could be on all the drugs in the world, but they don't do that. I know they don't do that. He's a force of nature."

"I know who does and doesn't and I know what doping does and doesn't do, and there are no miracle products. It doesn't make a donkey into a thoroughbred."

To curb some fears, it seems like Millar is pretty confident that the entire pro peloton is not on drugs. That's a relief, but the fact is, we will never know the extent of the problem of doping. Millar is surely not going to sit down and write a list out of all of the people he knows that are doped, he might be coming clean, but calling out names might be a bit too much to expect. There will be sporadic outbreaks of revelations and findings, but doping will forever remain cycling's dirty little secret.


From: www.pezcyclingnews.com

Originally Posted by Ted B

David Millar might have taken a huge swan dive in terms of ethics, future possibilities, etc etc, but at least he has decided to come clean and at least try to make amends for mistakes. In an interview with ProCycling, Millar makes a number of intriguing comments, maybe not revelations, but he emphasizes some facts that sometimes need underlining.

"There aren't drugs that do what Lance is doing. Lance could be on all the drugs in the world, but they don't do that. I know they don't do that. He's a force of nature."

"I know who does and doesn't and I know what doping does and doesn't do, and there are no miracle products. It doesn't make a donkey into a thoroughbred."

To curb some fears, it seems like Millar is pretty confident that the entire pro peloton is not on drugs. That's a relief, but the fact is, we will never know the extent of the problem of doping. Millar is surely not going to sit down and write a list out of all of the people he knows that are doped, he might be coming clean, but calling out names might be a bit too much to expect. There will be sporadic outbreaks of revelations and findings, but doping will forever remain cycling's dirty little secret.


From: www.pezcyclingnews.com

Originally Posted by paris_boy

I think we need to take whatever Millar says with a grain of salt. He seems to be doing damage control and is saying lots of different things. He also said this:

People in the sport, he [Millar] says, genuinely don't know whether their fellow competitors are using the drug [EPO]. "I only know about me. I didn't ask questions of other guys. Everyone is so paranoid now."

from http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1269733,00.html

Originally Posted by mojomarc

That's not really a different thing. What he said about Armstrong was, quite simply, saying that doping isn't responsible for the quality of Armstrong's performance. His performance, doped or not, comes from him, because there aren't drugs powerful enough to explain his dominance in the peloton. That's pretty clear. He's not making a statement in either case about individual guilt or innocence, but rather commenting that Armstrong is winning by such margins because he has the talent to win by those kind of margins, and even if he were to dope (assuming he's not now) it wouldn't change the gulf between him and the field enough to make a difference.

Originally Posted by paris_boy

my point was (maybe my bad English is confusing to understand) that he said one time 'don't know whether fellow competitors are using the drug' and another time 'I know who does and doesn't' -- so when to believe him? I think he will say whatever will help his case, not necessarily is the truth.

Originally Posted by paris_boy

my point was (maybe my bad English is confusing to understand) that he said one time 'don't know whether fellow competitors are using the drug' and another time 'I know who does and doesn't' -- so when to believe him? I think he will say whatever will help his case, not necessarily is the truth.

Originally Posted by davidbod

Your grasping. Fellow competition is other riders outside of his team which he probably doesn't know about. What he knows about who does and doesn't is certainly within his team and maybe some what beyond that by association.

Originally Posted by mojomarc

Ah, I think you're right. He did seem to backtrack, didn't he?

As far as his statement about Armstrong, I think he's right to the extent that you can't explain Armstrong's dominance by drugs. His point seemed to be the edge they provide isn't nearly enough to explain him, which I agree with. But for definitive evidence coming out of him, I'd agree with you--the guy is definitely waffling some.

Originally Posted by paris_boy

I think we need to take whatever Millar says with a grain of salt. He seems to be doing damage control and is saying lots of different things. He also said this:

People in the sport, he [Millar] says, genuinely don't know whether their fellow competitors are using the drug [EPO]. "I only know about me. I didn't ask questions of other guys. Everyone is so paranoid now."

from http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling...1269733,00.html

Originally Posted by Brunswick_kate

Just curious...why is it when someone speaks against Armstrong, you act like the words are divinely inspired, Holy Writ, etched on stone tablets etc etc etc