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Tyler Hamilton: Depression, luck and illness? horrible combination!

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Old 19-09.-2004, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default Tyler Hamilton: Depression, luck and illness? horrible combination!

Poor Tyler, this year has not seemed so far to go just right for this great american cyclist. First, the death of his dog, the illness at the TDF and now stomack problems and gone from The Vuelta.

I just wonder, does this year hold any other winning races for him? perhaps at the Championships in Verona Italy?


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Old 19-09.-2004, 01:04 PM   #2
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Default Re: Tyler Hamilton: Depression, luck and illness? horrible combination!

I guess not! this is what I just read on www.velonews.com:


No worlds for Hamilton
Tyler Hamilton won't be making a run for the world time trial championships title after all.

The Olympic time trial champion pulled out of the Vuelta a España after Thursday's difficult climbing stage complaining of a possible stomach virus that sapped his strength.

According to Phonak team director Alvaro Pino, Hamilton's season is finished.

"Tyler decided that after the Vuelta, his racing season for 2004 is over," Pino told VeloNews before Saturday's start. "He's satisfied with how his season has ended, with the Olympic medal and a stage victory in the Vuelta."

Hamilton started the Vuelta with what he called no pressure, but many tipped him as a challenger for the overall title. His stock rose even more when he won the time trial in stage 8 to become the first American to win stages in all three grand tours.

But Hamilton faded out of contention after struggling up the Aitana climb the following day. While he left open the possibility to stay in the Vuelta and challenge for the remaining two individual time trial, his continued struggles up Calar Alto cemented his decision to put the season on ice.
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Old 20-09.-2004, 05:05 AM   #3
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Poor Tyler, this year has not seemed so far to go just right for this great american cyclist. First, the death of his dog, the illness at the TDF and now stomack problems and gone from The Vuelta.

I just wonder, does this year hold any other winning races for him? perhaps at the Championships in Verona Italy?


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Heh if you belive all that! Of course he is very unlucky (falls on TdF and VaE, death of his dog), but these stomach problems are suspicious! I belive that T-Mobile and Ag2R had these problems, but it is funny that some of retired riders from other teams said the same hehe! These stomach problems are too much popular to be true in all cases..

I think Tyler was planning that, as some other riders did! He retired from VaE and he will go for TT gold in WC!
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Old 20-09.-2004, 07:37 AM   #4
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It wasn't all bad. He did win the Olympic Time Trial...and a stage in the VaE (which might be a TT but not sure).
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Default Re: Tyler Hamilton: Depression, luck and illness? horrible combination!

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9th Liege-Bastogne-Liege
9th stage Veulta al Pais Vasco
10th stage Critérium International
12th overall Critérium International


Yeah, you're so right Jake, my man. Hamilton just sucks. I don't know why he bothers either....
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Old 22-09.-2004, 05:43 AM   #7
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Oh oh, things aren't looking good for Hamilton, apparently there is a possibility that Hamilton may lose his gold medal from the Olympics

ESPN.com - OLY - Hamilton on doping: 'I'm 100 percent innocent'
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Heh yes, he realy is unlucky! New blood test kicks ass, so they must be more careful in future...Tyler probably wasnt...
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Heh yes, he realy is unlucky! New blood test kicks ass, so they must be more careful in future...Tyler probably wasnt...



Virenque, I know, he is a great cyclist! and I still believe what he is saying.....after all, look at what has happened with Lance. Did they prove anything on him?
I haven't read "any" tests in which he tested POSITIVE but the french condemned him right away since 1999.
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First off, big ups to mareblu who managed to bring us the news before any english sites had it. And from Spanish??? Good work!!

Secondly, Tyler has had a crap time of it lately. Poor guy.

I read somewhere that he has pulled out of Verona??? Saying that he is happy with his season etc etc. Is this true anyone?? If it was, what conclusion do we make of it. Do we say, yeah well fair enough. I mean he did win TT gold and has had some good results in other races. Or do we look at it with more suspect. Could he not concentrate 100% on Verona if he has to battle with a positive test accusations? Are these accusations infact true and he is just covering his tracks? Who knows! I guess we will find out.

As for the comments that perhaps the other riders that pulled out of Veulta with stomach problems were also suspect, I just don't know if i buy that. I mean it could be true. But Im just not covinced. How many BIG names like Tyler did pull out of the Veulta?

I am not saying Tyler is guilty, and i hope for the sake of the sport that he isn't. Because I belive top level cycling is just starting to gain trust with regards to doping.

Tyler has jumped to his own defence sayiing he is 100% innocent. But what rider dosn't say that as soon as they are under suspision? Thats like the general statment that is made when something like this happens. How much do we belive a rider when they say this? I guess we should belive Tyler though, as he has always declared his innocense and has always been innocent so why should we bail on him now.

Well they are just my thoughts, and i will say that i am new to the world of cycling so i am probably way off base with my comments!!
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Virenque, I know, he is a great cyclist! and I still believe what he is saying.....after all, look at what has happened with Lance. Did they prove anything on him?
I haven't read "any" tests in which he tested POSITIVE but the french condemned him right away since 1999.
Yes, Lance never tested positive, but Tyler did! I dont want to start the new debate here, but the reasons why most of the peloton never tested positive are next:
1. They are using doping for training, of course not for racing!
2. Urine doping tests, which are done at rider`s home can detect just (?) EPO and it cant detect all other doping methods, such is blood transfer, growth hormone, ...

I think "Do you think LA is doping?" is the right topic to talk about that..
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First off, big ups to mareblu who managed to bring us the news before any english sites had it. And from Spanish??? Good work!!

Secondly, Tyler has had a crap time of it lately. Poor guy.

I read somewhere that he has pulled out of Verona??? Saying that he is happy with his season etc etc. Is this true anyone?? If it was, what conclusion do we make of it. Do we say, yeah well fair enough. I mean he did win TT gold and has had some good results in other races. Or do we look at it with more suspect. Could he not concentrate 100% on Verona if he has to battle with a positive test accusations? Are these accusations infact true and he is just covering his tracks? Who knows! I guess we will find out.

As for the comments that perhaps the other riders that pulled out of Veulta with stomach problems were also suspect, I just don't know if i buy that. I mean it could be true. But Im just not covinced. How many BIG names like Tyler did pull out of the Veulta?

I am not saying Tyler is guilty, and i hope for the sake of the sport that he isn't. Because I belive top level cycling is just starting to gain trust with regards to doping.

Tyler has jumped to his own defence sayiing he is 100% innocent. But what rider dosn't say that as soon as they are under suspision? Thats like the general statment that is made when something like this happens. How much do we belive a rider when they say this? I guess we should belive Tyler though, as he has always declared his innocense and has always been innocent so why should we bail on him now.

Well they are just my thoughts, and i will say that i am new to the world of cycling so i am probably way off base with my comments!!




Agree Sportsgurl, let's hope for the best
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Yes, Lance never tested positive, but Tyler did! I dont want to start the new debate here, but the reasons why most of the peloton never tested positive are next:
1. They are using doping for training, of course not for racing!
2. Urine doping tests, which are done at rider`s home can detect just (?) EPO and it cant detect all other doping methods, such is blood transfer, growth hormone, ...

I think "Do you think LA is doping?" is the right topic to talk about that..


I might believe the training only angle that you suggest, but I've heard many times that pros are subjected to dope testing even during off days and even during the off season. How do you explain that?
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I might believe the training only angle that you suggest, but I've heard many times that pros are subjected to dope testing even during off days and even during the off season. How do you explain that?


gntlmn, can you prove this? I have heard it too but have NEVER been able to find one documented example of an offseason EPO drug test by the UCI. This, combined with the ridiculously low number of tests for EPO done last year (it was somewhere between 300 and 400, I can dig up the link) leads me to believe that the only EPO testing being done is for in-competition tests, and only by race winners. Even then, the numbers don't add up, because there are tons of pro races, crits, grand tours, etc, which leads me to believe that maybe only a random assortment of winners actually get tested for EPO.
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I might believe the training only angle that you suggest, but I've heard many times that pros are subjected to dope testing even during off days and even during the off season. How do you explain that?
Did you read what I had written under number 2?

Thats how Camenzind and Bruylandts were cought this year! Anti doping agents came to their home and took urine and they found EPO! So..bad luck! But urine test can find just EPO (maybe not just EPO, but in 99% they find epo), so they can use plenty of other doping substances which can be detected just at the races, when they must give blood too!

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