Front forks - removing "lawyers' lips"

JBB

I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut out a
lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I have an
internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way to
remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to self or
bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.

Hope you can help.
Julia

andrewgturnbull@yahoo.co.uk

JBB wrote:
> I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut
out a
> lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
> removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I
have an
> internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way
to
> remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to
self or
> bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.
>
> Hope you can help.
> Julia

Hi there.

You can simply file them off, a lot of people do this so they can
effect quicker wheel changes when racing.

If you're not racing though, it does strike me as a lot of trouble to
go to just to save 5 seconds when you're putting the bike up on the the
roof of your car...

Cheers, Andy

www.stirling-tri.co.uk

dkahn400

JBB wrote:
> I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut
out a
> lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
> removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I
have an
> internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way
to
> remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to
self or
> bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.

Obviously it can't be done without loss of function as they will no
longer be there to perform their er... function. The best way to lose
them is probably to file them down by hand until they are flush with
the rest of the dropout. A dab of paint should cover up the evidence
and restore the cosmetic beauty of your dropouts. Apart from the
obvious safety issue be aware you may be voiding any manufacturer's
warranty.

--
Dave...

Pete Biggs

andrewgturnbull@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> JBB wrote:
>> I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they
>> cut out a lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when
>> it comes to removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite
>> a lot as I have an internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want
>> to know the best way to remove these abominations. By best I mean no
>> unnecessary damage to self or bike, no loss of function and ideally
>> no cosmetic difference.

> You can simply file them off, a lot of people do this so they can
> effect quicker wheel changes when racing.
>
> If you're not racing though, it does strike me as a lot of trouble to
> go to just to save 5 seconds when you're putting the bike up on the
> the roof of your car...

It's more than 5 seconds if you forget how many twiddles of the QR are
required to get it just right, and fitting a wheel with LLs is never very
pleasant anyway. The filing job is very easy, especially with aluminium
drop outs. Not a lot of trouble at all.

I did my ITM Snyper with an ordinary file. No cosmetic damage is visable
when looking at the bike normally.

~PB

Pete Biggs

dkahn400 wrote:

>be aware you may be voiding any manufacturer's
> warranty.

That's true but you're unlikely to need it.

~PB

m-gineering

JBB wrote:
>
> I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they cut out a
> lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when it comes to
> removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite a lot as I have an
> internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want to know the best way to
> remove these abominations. By best I mean no unnecessary damage to self or
> bike, no loss of function and ideally no cosmetic difference.
>
> Hope you can help.
> Julia

for me a 5" angle grinder with a worn (ie small diameter) cutoff wheel
(mis-used as a flat grinding disk) gives best control
--
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Marten Gerritsen

INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
www.m-gineering.nl

pk

er at risk of showing my ignorance, what are lawyers lips?

pk

Clive George

"pk" <spam.trap100@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cpn9mc$5gs$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> er at risk of showing my ignorance, what are lawyers lips?

What they use to form a seal while sucking the blood from you.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_i-l.html#lawyer

cheers,
clive

pk

Clive George wrote:
> "pk" <spam.trap100@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:cpn9mc$5gs$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> er at risk of showing my ignorance, what are lawyers lips?
>
> What they use to form a seal while sucking the blood from you.


I did think of suggesting that myself.

Another:

What yellow and looks good on an estate agent?
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A JCB

Ta for the link btw

pk

JBB

"Pete Biggs" <pwrinkledgrape{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote in message
news:328gubF3gcbooU1@individual.net...
> andrewgturnbull@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> JBB wrote:
>>> I have upgraded my front forks to ITM carbons; so far great, they
>>> cut out a lot of road vibration. However they are a real pain when
>>> it comes to removing and refitting the front wheel. I do this quite
>>> a lot as I have an internal bike rack for my car. I therefore want
>>> to know the best way to remove these abominations. By best I mean no
>>> unnecessary damage to self or bike, no loss of function and ideally
>>> no cosmetic difference.
>
>> You can simply file them off, a lot of people do this so they can
>> effect quicker wheel changes when racing.
>>
>> If you're not racing though, it does strike me as a lot of trouble to
>> go to just to save 5 seconds when you're putting the bike up on the
>> the roof of your car...
>
> It's more than 5 seconds if you forget how many twiddles of the QR are
> required to get it just right, and fitting a wheel with LLs is never very
> pleasant anyway. The filing job is very easy, especially with aluminium
> drop outs. Not a lot of trouble at all.
>
> I did my ITM Snyper with an ordinary file. No cosmetic damage is visable
> when looking at the bike normally.
>
> ~PB
>
I haven't washed the slurry off since Saturday's Mince Pie and Mulled wine
run yet (don't ask) so I'll check what the dropouts are made of tomorrow - I
think they're carbon..... What sort of file or could I do it with a Dremel?

Julia

Call me Bob

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:40 -0000, "JBB" <juliadream@btopenworld.com>
wrote:

> I haven't washed the slurry off since Saturday's Mince Pie and Mulled wine
>run yet (don't ask) so I'll check what the dropouts are made of tomorrow - I
>think they're carbon..... What sort of file or could I do it with a Dremel?

I could be wrong here, but, I think they are unlikely to be carbon
dropouts. Most dropouts on carbon forks are a metal insert, bonded to
the blades.

--

Call me "Bob"

"More oneness, less categories,
Open hearts, no strategies"

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Pete Biggs

JBB wrote:
> I'll check what the dropouts are
> made of tomorrow - I think they're carbon.....

I don't know if carbon dropouts are ever used. Most if not all carbon
forks have Al dropouts.

~PB

Simon Brooke

in message <328vo5F3iujmoU1@individual.net>, Pete Biggs
('pwrinkledgrape{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc') wrote:

> JBB wrote:
>> I'll check what the dropouts are
>> made of tomorrow - I think they're carbon.....
>
> I don't know if carbon dropouts are ever used. Most if not all carbon
> forks have Al dropouts.

My forks have carbon dropouts[1]. With carbon lawyer lips as well. I've
been thinking of taking some sandpaper to them.

[1] Cue James Annan to pop up and say this is impossible.

--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; I'd rather live in sybar-space

Simonb

JBB wrote:

> I think they're carbon..... What sort of file or
> could I do it with a Dremel?

If they're ITM Millenniums the dropouts are aluminium, painted black. If you
did the Denmead ride on Saturday, did you notice a very large chap on either
a Coppi or a full carbon jobbie? That's my mate Paul, that is.