fixed on the cheap..

David Martin

Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
just one rear wheel for all purposes..

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711

It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.

...d

Andy Morris

David Martin wrote:
> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>
> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>
> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
>
> ..d

At 60 quid it's almost as much as a cheap wheel, and it wouldn't be a quick
swap, you have to get the bearings out.

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Jon Senior

David Martin wrote:
> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>
> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>
> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.

But damned expensive. For that price you might be able to build a
dedicated one which will be dishless (Or close to dishless) and thus a
little stronger. My cheap ones (Brand new hubs, second hand rims) only
cost £50 for a pair (Admittedly cheap hubs) so it should be possible.

Jon

Tony Raven

Jon Senior wrote:
>
> For that price you might be able to build a
> dedicated one which will be dishless (Or close to dishless) and thus a
> little stronger.

Just wondering, the topic of dished or dishless is nearly always couched
in terms of wheel strength. OTOH I've got both types of wheel and I've
never had any strength problems with the dished ones. So is it just a
theoretical strength advantage to be dishless or does it make a real
difference?

Tony

MSeries

David Martin wrote:
> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>
> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>
> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
>
> ..d


£57 though. It it was less that 20 I'd give it a try. I have a spare
freehub body that I'd like to make fixed but without welding equipement
I don't think I'd be able to,

Jon Senior

Tony Raven wrote:
> Just wondering, the topic of dished or dishless is nearly always couched
> in terms of wheel strength. OTOH I've got both types of wheel and I've
> never had any strength problems with the dished ones. So is it just a
> theoretical strength advantage to be dishless or does it make a real
> difference?

I suspect that it's largely theoretical. In terms of wheel building,
it's easier to build a dishless wheel. In an ideal world, you want to be
pulling sideways on the rim to prevent buckling. The nearer the spokes
get to vertical, the more force you have to apply overall to provide the
same sideways force. The stronger the sideways force, the greater the
resistance to lateral loading.

Of course, unless you're playing with trikes, bicycle wheels don't tend
to suffer from lateral loads except in accidents.

The only obvious real world differences I would expect to see are a
greater resilience in the case of spoke failure, since a single failure
will have a disproportionate effect in a dished wheel; and I would
expect that the rim itself would have to withstand higher forces and
thus might be more likely to suffer spoke pull through!

Jon

David Martin

MSeries wrote:
> David Martin wrote:
>
>> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
>> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>>
>> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>>
>> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
>>
>> ..d
>
>
>
> £57 though. It it was less that 20 I'd give it a try. I have a spare
> freehub body that I'd like to make fixed but without welding equipement
> I don't think I'd be able to,

I'll swap you a welded up 7 speed freehub body for an eight speed
working one..

On the other hand, I might just fix it for myself...

Have to get the brazing gear out though.

...d

MSeries

David Martin wrote:
> MSeries wrote:
>
>> David Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
>>> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>>>
>>> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>>>
>>> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
>>>
>>> ..d
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> £57 though. It it was less that 20 I'd give it a try. I have a spare
>> freehub body that I'd like to make fixed but without welding
>> equipement I don't think I'd be able to,
>
>
> I'll swap you a welded up 7 speed freehub body for an eight speed
> working one..
>
> On the other hand, I might just fix it for myself...
>
> Have to get the brazing gear out though.
>
> ..d


7 and 8 are the same width, mine is a 7 speed UG one, hyperglide
sprockets will not fit withough some modification

David Martin

MSeries wrote:
> David Martin wrote:
>
>> MSeries wrote:
>>
>>> David Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
>>>> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>>>>
>>>> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
>>>>
>>>> ..d
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> £57 though. It it was less that 20 I'd give it a try. I have a spare
>>> freehub body that I'd like to make fixed but without welding
>>> equipement I don't think I'd be able to,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll swap you a welded up 7 speed freehub body for an eight speed
>> working one..
>>
>> On the other hand, I might just fix it for myself...
>>
>> Have to get the brazing gear out though.
>>
>> ..d
>
>
>
> 7 and 8 are the same width, mine is a 7 speed UG one, hyperglide
> sprockets will not fit withough some modification

Snap.. I have a 7 speed Uniglide one. And a hyperglide one on the old
MTB wheels which is the one I am intending to massacre. The 7speed UG
one is the Ultegra one on the road bike.

Took it off.. are all freehub bodies standard fitting?

It looks like a bit of braze to fill in the bearings might do the trick,
especially if I add some keying either side to ensure it will work even
with ppor adhesion. It will be a bit of a pain to get good prep on teh
surfaces though.

...d

Jon_H

"David Martin" <martin-family@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:35icukF4koj8gU1@individual.net...
> MSeries wrote:
> > David Martin wrote:
> >
> >> MSeries wrote:
> >>
> >>> David Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
> >>>> just one rear wheel for all purposes..
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
> >>>>
> >>>> It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
> >>>>
> >>>> ..d
> >>>
I use one of these on my old 27 inch wheels it was easier than re-dishing
and probably cheaper than buying new wheels. It sorts the chainline out a
treat too.

http://www.trackcycling.co.uk/shop/detail.php?id=223

cheers
Jon_H

David Martin

Jon_H wrote:
> "David Martin" <martin-family@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:35icukF4koj8gU1@individual.net...
>
>>MSeries wrote:
>>
>>>David Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>MSeries wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>David Martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Just seen this on Wiggle.. looks like a cool idea for those who want
>>>>>>just one rear wheel for all purposes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5360015711
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It replaces the freehub with a fixed hub. Simple but smart idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>..d
>>>>>
> I use one of these on my old 27 inch wheels it was easier than re-dishing
> and probably cheaper than buying new wheels. It sorts the chainline out a
> treat too.
>
> http://www.trackcycling.co.uk/shop/detail.php?id=223

Seems like it would do the trick.

I have just been tryign to dismantle a freehub, prior to permanently
reassembling it with a brazing torch. (I want to clean it ut so the
brazing works reasonably well.)

Having worked out where all the bits are to undo, I have spent some time
trying to undo them. When they screw them together, they really don't
want them to come apart, do they..

I may resort to drilling a couple of small holes and filling those with
braze instead.

...d

Andy Morris

Tony Raven wrote:
> Jon Senior wrote:
>>
>> For that price you might be able to build a
>> dedicated one which will be dishless (Or close to dishless) and thus
>> a little stronger.
>
> Just wondering, the topic of dished or dishless is nearly always
> couched in terms of wheel strength. OTOH I've got both types of
> wheel and I've never had any strength problems with the dished ones. So is
> it just a theoretical strength advantage to be dishless or does
> it make a real difference?
>
> Tony

Depends how much you weigh and how hard you stomp going up hills.

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Tony Raven

Andy Morris wrote:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>
>>Jon Senior wrote:
>>
>>>For that price you might be able to build a
>>>dedicated one which will be dishless (Or close to dishless) and thus
>>>a little stronger.
>>
>>Just wondering, the topic of dished or dishless is nearly always
>>couched in terms of wheel strength. OTOH I've got both types of
>>wheel and I've never had any strength problems with the dished ones. So is
>>it just a theoretical strength advantage to be dishless or does
>>it make a real difference?
>>
>>Tony
>
>
> Depends how much you weigh and how hard you stomp going up hills.
>

OK assume I weigh a lot and really mash the pedals on hills. Does it
make a difference in practice whether its dished or not?

Tony

James Thomson

"David Martin" <martin-family@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> I have just been tryign to dismantle a freehub, prior to
> permanently reassembling it with a brazing torch. (I
> want to clean it ut so the brazing works reasonably well.)

> Having worked out where all the bits are to undo, I have
> spent some time trying to undo them. When they screw
> them together, they really don't want them to come apart,
> do they..

If you're talking about unscrewing the cup that gives you access to the
innards (rather than just getting the freehub body off the hub), be aware
that it's a left-hand thread.

James Thomson