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03-06.-2005, 08:19 AM
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Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
If proof was ever needed as to how LA was not challenged by Ivan Basso (2nd to LA in the 2004 TDF), a film due for release in Denmark will show the very close co-operation between Ivan Basso and Lance Armstrong.
Basso is filmed discussing tactics with lance Armstrong - even though Basso cycled for another team and was supposed to be competing against LA for first spot on GC. Read all about it here : http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1231 |
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03-06.-2005, 10:15 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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Well duh... does the news reach Ireland so late? Yes they worked together, but there was no way Basso could really attack Lance in the mountains anyway, and Basso lost big time to him in the ITTs. So what's new? Lance always said that no matter if it were Mayo attacking in the mountains or whomever-- that a tougher race on the climbs HELPED him. Why? Because fast attacking climbers with Lance following wheels or going with the attacks would distance Ullrich. And lance, based on the previous year, was worried he could lose 2-3 minutes on Ullrich in an ITT. Ullrich has always been his number one concern. And Lance has always been right about that fact. Nothing new here. No surprise. Just confirmation of what everyone already surmised. At least those with eyes to see. Yawn. |
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03-06.-2005, 04:39 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
I belive Basso was third.
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03-06.-2005, 07:41 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
Some very touchy people on this forum !
 I think its very significant in relation to this years Tour. For example if a T-Mobile rider attacks and Armstrong or Basso become isolated will they be able to count on each other's team to help out ? It would appear so. This will make things harder for Ullrich, Vino, Mayo et al. Good tactics by Disc and CSC.... Backed up by Gaumont's comments yesterday that team alliances go a lot further than we think..... (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/jun05/jun03news) |
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03-06.-2005, 10:11 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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You're quite correct - my mistake. Apologies ! |
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03-06.-2005, 10:14 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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I would have a thought a man in second place (as Basso was at the time in the TDF) would have at least tried to challenge for first spot. He didn't. He did a deal. Now we have the proof. (and as someone who cries "where the proof" at practically every instance, you're remarkably sanguine when proof is proffered. No doubt you'd be shouting "where's the proof" if some alleged here that Basso helped Lance Armstrong, without this film which confirm that Basso acquiesed ?). |
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03-06.-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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It is fairly comon knowledge that cyclist have an un-written gentlemans agreement to aid each other at times. It is also know that if you break the accepted etiquette you may pay for it in a future race. I commented on this particular issue the day of that first mountain stage that Basso won. I never doubted for a moment that they struck a deal.
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03-06.-2005, 10:33 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
Deals are done - there is no doubt.
I thought it disappointing that Basso did not go all out to try to win on GC. We don't know the reasons but looking at it as a fan, I would have liked to have seen Basso having a go. |
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03-06.-2005, 10:43 PM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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Maybe he did I would not venture to say whether he gave it his all or not but I am hearing things that make be believe that this year may be a very good contest.
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04-06.-2005, 12:39 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
Ullrich will be at the Gippensen World Cup race this Sunday. This should give us a little more insight into his abilities and conditioning this year.
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04-06.-2005, 12:51 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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I haven't seen anything that looks like Basso made a deal to not attack Armstrong I see a deal that Basso would help Armstrong get away from Ullrich and Kloden. I don't think Basso was ready to win last year. I don't think that will be a problem this year. His time trialing won't be a problem. His climbing won't be a problem. His team has never been a problem. Hmmmm. |
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04-06.-2005, 04:31 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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While Lance says Ullrich is his biggest problem, it seems that Basso has got both the climbing and TTing. Basso might even drop Lance this year or possibly beat him in the TT. On the other hand, as Bruyneel has already said, having a GT winner in Salvodelli gives Postal a few cards to play. |
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04-06.-2005, 05:47 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
Huh who said he COULD! The only day he could was on la mongie! The next day armstrong said he could feel basso was riding on the limit. So what does the TDF peloton need to do then? Ever read diaries of leipheimer he says allready sitting on the usps weel is hard...........so who should attack them.
And it is no point in attacking armstrong earlier in the mountains when there is 20 km of flat rode left.........the team of armstrong will bring that back too! With such a strong team.......there isn't much to do. The dutch press was criticizing Rabo for not attacking........they forgot that the whole peloton was dying in the wheel of the usps men in the mountains. It would have been a kamikaze action to attack and try things..... Sooooo the question how do you beat them.........a question that still goes on 6 years and counting! Quote:
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04-06.-2005, 05:54 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
And for the basso fans......the thing he lacks is consistency he always has one day off.........like alpe d' huez last year. If he doesn't have such day he COULD make it hard on armstrong.
If he wants to win the tour......everything must be perfect: team, tactics, his form (no off-day) etc. AND will he be recovered from the giro??. I have more doubt on him now then on.........oke you guessed it  |
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04-06.-2005, 06:17 AM
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Re: Proof that Basso worked with LA in the TDF 2004
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I havent seen the film, so I cannot say whether it indicates that Basso acquiesced. That is your interpretation. What the reviews of the film have said is that phone calls between Lance and Basso took place regarding Basso's mother. Lance was willing to do anything and did in fact contact his foundation who helped Ivan's mother be directed to the best care that could be found in Italy. Unfortunately to no avail. What Basso was reported to have said in the film was that if any help ws needed, he would give it to Lance. I did not interpret that to mean, I will give away my chance of winning the Tour so you can win because you were kind to me about my mother's illness. I'll have to see the film though. If you recall, when Ullrich put in his big attack on Lance in 2003 and gapped him in the last 3km on a climb in the Alps I think, Lance was drifting alone and searching for wheels. It was Basso's wheel that Lance found and towed Lance for a km until Lance could recover, then sprint back until he regained almost all the time but 8 seconds or something like that on Ullrich. Lance owed Basso one at that point, and that was when Basso was riding for Fassa Bortolo and I think the whole team had abandoned and gone home with Petacchi. No, I dont think Basso thought or knew he would be alone with Lance in the mountains, but once they were, they clearly worked together and the teams supported this concept by riding against Telekom, which was smart for both lance and Basso. Remember the big flap when Jens Voigt sat up when he was down the road so he could come back and ride for the team CSC. This was to prevent Ullrich and Kloden from setting up and executing their tactic which was for Ullrich to ride off the front to draw some fire power then either Ullrich would get away or it would come together and Klodi would go for the stage win. This is why Jan chased Floyd down when Lance let Floyd go for the stage win. A lot of infighting that day. Lance won of course. Caught Kloden on the line. |
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