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27-07.-2005, 03:10 AM
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Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
Excellent choice for Vino. Manolo Saiz will give him the support he needs.
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27-07.-2005, 07:06 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
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and who do you think will be the next team captain at the Tour? Heras, Mayo or Vino?
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27-07.-2005, 07:10 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
Probably Mayo considering he rides on another team ! (fark me !)
Not got rid of that annoying picture yet ? This topic is on another thread and we already thrashed out that Saiz has stated that Heres is for the Giro and Vuelta and Vino for the Tour.... Beloki will co-star until he proves his form is back to 2003..... Quote:
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27-07.-2005, 07:15 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
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Aw ok  well good luck to Vino-
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27-07.-2005, 04:34 PM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
I wonder about this decision.
Liberty Seguros went really well in this year's TTT, claiming 4th, just behind T-Mobile. But his claim that LS has the 'best climbers'? Not in this year's tour. Yet Vino is such a maverick, a cossack on wheels, one has to wonder if he can be supported, if conventional team tactics mean anything to him. Time will tell, I guess.
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27-07.-2005, 06:47 PM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
Yes, but only a one-year contract. He certainly is fun to watch and has the heart of a lion.
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27-07.-2005, 07:50 PM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
Its a three year contract....
http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1497 Quote:
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31-07.-2005, 04:51 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
I wonder if Saiz will force Heras to ride the Tour as Vino's domestique.
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31-07.-2005, 05:06 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
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Good point. When Saiz ran ONCE he enforced strict discipline in his team - either my way or the highway stuff. And ONCE were a tough outfit and practically dominated the peloton from 1992-1998. Jalabert and Zulle, despite being great talents, were ordered about in no uncertain terms by Saiz. It will be interesting to see how Vino adapts. |
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31-07.-2005, 06:04 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
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31-07.-2005, 09:33 AM
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Re: Vinokourov to Liberty Seguros
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Agree with Catholic Jones here. ONCE ran a very strong team. Need only watch the 2002 Tour to see ONCE working well for Beloki. Azevedo, perhaps the best climbing domestique around today (despite a relatively poor Tour this year), worked very well for Beloki. And they won the TTT. But the more I reflect back on this year's Tour, the more I have mixed feelings about Vino. By the end of the Tour, it was clear that he had no intention at all of helping Ullrich. Kloden and Sevilla both did good service to Jan in the Tour, but Vino was never around when it counted. He was either off the front on an attack or off the back because he'd spent himself on attacking. While it landed him a high GC placing, I wonder if this kind of relentless style can accomplish much more than it already has. Vino didn't look for help from T-Mobile, presumably, because they wouldn't give any. But one wonders if he would have taken help if it was offered. Itis worth noting, by the way, that Vino never stayed with the elite groups on the really killer climbs.
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