U.S. Constitutional crisis?

davidmc

In an unprecedented move, Justice dept barges into congressional members office circumventing capitol police who are charged with protecting house members person and effects. Violation of Article I, Section 6 of Constitution. Rogue executive power as the Justice Dept. is an arm (Executive agency staffed by executive appointee's-Attorney's General) of the Executive Branch. It has never happened in 219 years (not long by european standards, neverthe less) of our history as each of the three branches of government are co-equal. Attorney General offers to resign. Stay tuned.

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Wurm

Interesting how Repig's like Sensenbrenner and Hastert start getting nervous when it's their (Congressional) offices being Gestapo'ed.

Where were they on the "Patriot" Act, and most recently - domestic spying/wiretapping? Apparently the Bu$hCo tactics are OK for everyone else but them.

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Carrera

"Apparently the Bu$hCo tactics are OK for everyone else but them."

He's the reason I hit a rut in the road the other day - Bush and his cohorts have a lot to answer for. You ask yourself why these ruts in the road are a danger to cyclists and the only answer is it's a conspiracy - planned by no other than Bush.

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limerickman

Assuming that the report is correct - I think that what you say is a constitutional matter.

At the very least, there ought to be an enquiry to establish the basis for the raid.
In addition, i would have thought that a raid would require a judicial warrant??

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morelike hypocrisy.

wolfix

I don't think it is a matter of being illegal, I think it more of a matter of never being done.......And warrants were issued I believe.

But if you have followed the story, it is the Republicans that are screaming foul..... This while the Dems are distancing themselves from the Congressman in question.

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davidmc

Here is "Section 6", from the U.S. Constitution, for any interested parties:

http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm

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George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

wolfix

Exactly.....The congressnman in question was committing felony actions. So it is legal in the constitution.....

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davidmc

It would appear that you are not aware of proper procedure. Kicking in doors is a "last resort" tactic. No wonder the Leadership wants the AG & FBI director up there to testify as to why they used "last resort" tactics The executive branch is a co-equal branch. Justice falls under the executive branch. The AG is selected by the executive. Etc...
There are two remedies the justice dept & fbi "overlooked", as it were. One was to contact the clerk who would notify the house leadership of the dept's intent's then the leadership would make a decision. Another remedy would have been to contact the congressional counsel (woman) who would have initiated a more "coordinated & valid" search. Searching w/o an attorney present weakens the justice dept's discoveries, if there were any. They trampled proper procedure under foot. They over-ruled the capital police whose duty is to protect the capital & its contents.

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

wolfix

This was a federal issue concerning international issues..... The investigation was by the US Justice Department. The case is not weakened because of the lack a attorney. Search warrants are conducted when they are served. The evidence in this case comes from the video tape of the congressman himself taking the bribes......

What is being questioned here is that Congress and politicians have always had this "old boys club" mentality. And I agree with Wurm ..... and god does that hurt, but yes it is time that something that they have used against the people since the writing of the Constitution is ued against them .... Even though this goes back to the beginning and is not a Bushco only act.

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davidmc

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, May 31, 2006; Page A02

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )

Wurm

So is it your contention that once again, this FBI raid "didn't really happen", or that it was not engineered by Bu$hCo?

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"Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."

- John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon)

The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

davidmc

Poor, poor Bu$hCo
I wonder when they are going to declare martial law

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I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - )