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Old 27-06.-2006, 12:09 AM   #1
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I'm new to cycling...and a little apprehensive to join a race. I feel that I can hold my own during training rides. What average speed should I be able to hold before I consider joining a race...what about distance?

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Old 27-06.-2006, 02:29 AM   #2
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Racing is more about bike handling than speed. You should feel comfortable being close to other riders in group rides before you head out to a race. If you have been training with others and feel the speed is good and can handle a bike halfway decently, then go ahead and sign up for a local race. Be prepared to see some squirrely riders at the entry level/cat5 race. Ya gotta start somewhere. You might get lapped (many of us did early on), but hang in there. It's like having children, you're never 100% prepared.
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Old 27-06.-2006, 12:28 PM   #3
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A cat 5 (entry/beginner level) race is usually in the 23-25mph area around this area. Sometimes higher around 27-29mph, depending on what teams show up, what the course is like, etc. Final sprints can go 35+mph very easily.
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Old 27-06.-2006, 08:57 PM   #4
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A cat 5 (entry/beginner level) race is usually in the 23-25mph area around this area. Sometimes higher around 27-29mph, depending on what teams show up, what the course is like, etc. Final sprints can go 35+mph very easily.


Point being that average speeds are usually a fair bit higher than you'd achieve on your own in training or small groups - riding in a bunch give you lots more shelter, so that even if you struggle to maintain 30kph solo, in a bunch you could easily be riding along at 40kph for less effort.
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Old 28-06.-2006, 01:34 AM   #6
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consequently, it was literally 33 miles of warm up... 1.75 miles of "race pace"... and a monster sprint with 50 guys swerving and dropping and crashing.




I'm a sprinter, so that sounds perfect to me... :-)

Seriously though, if it's too slow, ride away and win it! Or at least shake it up a little.
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Old 28-06.-2006, 06:12 AM   #7
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taking the step into racing my not be as rewarding as you hope. i HATE to be a wet blanket here... but i'm a little disgusted w/ my last cat 5 race.

it was 35 miles (they always give the cat 5s the shortest distance) and the speeds were sometimes as low as 15mph. the constant word the entire race was "SLOWING". no one could mount any sort of collective effort for a real break away- and no one wanted to lead the damn thing.

consequently, it was literally 33 miles of warm up... 1.75 miles of "race pace"... and a monster sprint with 50 guys swerving and dropping and crashing.

real quality stuff there.

the next day- did a 60 mile training ride w/ my pals which was faster, harder, and more enjoyable than the race i drove 8 hours to attend.

i'm really not trying to hammer you down- ive had great races, too... i just hope you may get a little more insight into the "mystique" that IS cat5 racing.

ive been told that the key is to just deal w/ the cat5 (crap5) until you can go cat4.


my $.02


Ironic thing, no crashes in my Cat 5 race last Saturday even though we had a big field of 55, and some pretty poor road conditions. On the other hand, t there was a crash in the Cat. 4's, and another in the Cat. 3's. My team tent looked like a MASH unit for a while.

In 12 races I've done this year, I've only actually seen 1 crash and heard of 1 other crash in the Cat. 5's.

Everybody talks about how much "safer" it is in the higher Cats., but think about last last couple of TDF's and other pro races you've watched. Ulrich crashes into his team car, Tyler Hamilton crashes and breaks his collarbone, Armstrong crashes in the Tour of Switzerland, yada yada yada.

My point is, cycling involves crashing at every level. Cut the Cat. 5's a little slack, willya.

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Old 28-06.-2006, 06:28 AM   #8
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I attended my first Cat 5 race this last Sunday. The pace of the leaders was somewhere around 24-25 mph, I was considerably off-pace at 20 mph but still finished respectably and crash-free.
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Cat 5 races typically aren't very tactical. That's my experience, but I've only entered in two races...
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Cat 5 races typically aren't very tactical. That's my experience, but I've only entered in two races...


If you can get a couple of guys to work together in cat5s, you''ll rule since most guys either hang back waiting to sprint or jump of the front and get cooked using virtually no teamwork. When you move up to 4s you usually have a few larger teams that employ tactics like attacks, blocking, etc.
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Old 10-07.-2006, 05:14 AM   #11
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I attended my first Cat 5 race this last Sunday. The pace of the leaders was somewhere around 24-25 mph, I was considerably off-pace at 20 mph but still finished respectably and crash-free.


They allowed you to finish? In my race today, but was pulled out once I was about to get lapped.

On a side note, if I don't finish a (Cat 4/5) race, does it still count towards the 10 race minimum?
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Ironic thing, no crashes in my Cat 5 race last Saturday even though we had a big field of 55, and some pretty poor road conditions. On the other hand, t there was a crash in the Cat. 4's, and another in the Cat. 3's. My team tent looked like a MASH unit for a while.

In 12 races I've done this year, I've only actually seen 1 crash and heard of 1 other crash in the Cat. 5's.

Everybody talks about how much "safer" it is in the higher Cats., but think about last last couple of TDF's and other pro races you've watched. Ulrich crashes into his team car, Tyler Hamilton crashes and breaks his collarbone, Armstrong crashes in the Tour of Switzerland, yada yada yada.

My point is, cycling involves crashing at every level. Cut the Cat. 5's a little slack, willya.

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There was a crash in every race I did this year, so far. Around here they call it Crash 5. Rarely any crashes in the local pro,1,2,3 races I've watched, though.
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Old 10-07.-2006, 07:47 AM   #13
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On a side note, if I don't finish a (Cat 4/5) race, does it still count towards the 10 race minimum?


To upgrade from 5 to 4 you need "experience" in 10 mass-start races. You do not need to finish any of them.

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Old 11-07.-2006, 12:10 AM   #14
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They allowed you to finish? In my race today, but was pulled out once I was about to get lapped.

On a side note, if I don't finish a (Cat 4/5) race, does it still count towards the 10 race minimum?
Yeah, they didn't pull anyone from this race. The field size was only 25 so that may have had something to do with it.
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A cat 5 (entry/beginner level) race is usually in the 23-25mph area around this area. Sometimes higher around 27-29mph, depending on what teams show up, what the course is like, etc. Final sprints can go 35+mph very easily.
27-29mph?!?!?!?!?!?!? For beginners level?!?!?!?!? Where do you live? Beginners that average the same as the TDF riders...AMAZING!
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