Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism

14-10.-2006, 11:44 AM

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Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism

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Published on Thursday, October 12, 2006 by Ted Rall
America's Nuremberg Laws
The End of the U.S. as a Civilized Nation
by Ted Rall

SEATTLE - Students of historical hysteria immediately saw 9/11 as America's version of the Reichstag Fire. Both incidents were organic acts of terrorism (contrary to popular misconception, the Nazis didn't set the 1933 fire) seized upon by power-hungry government officials to justify the crushing of political dissent and the rolling back of civil liberties. Hitler began marching his people into the abyss immediately upon seizing power in 1933, but Nazi Germany's fate as a rogue nation wasn't sealed until two years later, in the late summer of 1935.

Before then there had been heinous violations of human rights. Nazi authorities detained thousands of socialists and communists in concentration camps (death camps weren't built until 1941). Many were tortured; some died in custody. Stormtroopers enforced state-sanctioned boycotts of Jewish-owned businesses. Brownshirts beat Jews in the streets as the police stood by and watched. Ignoring Germany's treaty obligations, Hitler poured millions into the armed forces and threatened to use them against Germany's neighbors. No one could doubt that Germany was in the hands of militaristic right-wing thugs.

Until 1935, however, the home of Goethe and Beethoven had not entirely abandoned the universal values accepted by civilized states. True, top German officials and street-level Nazi Party members were breaking all sorts of laws, including constitutional protections against racial and religious discrimination. That's precisely the point: the law endured. Pre-Nazi legal infrastructure and laws, including the 1920s-era "Weimar" Constitution--still the Western world's gold standard for protecting individual rights and privileges--remained in force. Technically, anyway.

Had there been the political will, Hitler and his goons could have been arrested and tried under German law. The German government was a lost cause, but the German nation still had a (slim) chance. Until 1935.

That's when Germany officially codified the Nazis' uncivilized anti-Semitism by passing the Nuremberg Laws. Jews were stripped of citizenship and banned from marrying or dating non-Jews. The laws were a form of legalized harassment, prohibiting Jews from displaying German flags or shopping in stores at certain times. Turning Jews into legal pariahs paved the way for the Holocaust. More immediately, the barbaric ipso facto policies of the Nazi government had corrupted Germany's lofty and admirable system of legal guarantees. Even though German law hadn't been of much help to Jews before--well, there had been the occasional arrest and prosecution of a brownshirt who had gone "too far"--now there was every reason for them to succumb to hopelessness. Germany was no longer a civilized nation in the clutches of gangsters. It had become a gangster nation.

Similarly, the recently passed Military Commissions Act removes the United States from the ranks of civilized nations. It codifies racial and political discrimination, legalizes kidnapping and torture of those the government deems its political enemies, and eliminates habeas corpus--the ancient precept that prevents the police from arresting and holding you without cause--a basic protection common to all (other) modern legal systems, and one that dates to the Magna Carta.

Between 2001 and 2006, George W. Bush worked tirelessly to eliminate freedoms and liberties Americans have long taken for granted. The Bush Administration's CIA, mercenary and military state terrorists kidnapped thousands of innocent people and held them at secret prisons around the world for months and years at a time. These people were never charged with a crime. (There was good reason for that. As the government itself admitted, fewer than ten had actually done anything wrong.) Yet hundreds, maybe even thousands, were tortured.

Under American law these despicable acts were illegal. They were, by definition, un-American. Although it didn't help the dozens of Bush torture victims who died from beatings and drowning, the pre-Bush American judicial system worked. The Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court handed down one decision after another ordering the White House to give its "detainees" trials or let them go. For a brief, shining moment, it looked like there was hope for the U.S. to find its way back to the light.

Now, thanks to a gullible passel of Republican senators and an unhinged leader who is banking that Americans are just as passive as the Germans of the mid-1930s, we have our own Nuremberg Laws.

Under the terrifying terms of the radical new Military Commissions Act, Bush can declare anyone--including you--an "unlawful enemy combatant," a term that doesn't exist in U.S. or international law. All he has to do is sign a piece of paper claiming that you "purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States." The law's language is brilliantly vague, allowing the president to imprison--for the rest of his or her life--anyone, including a U.S. citizen, from someone who makes a contribution to a group he disapproves of to a journalist who criticizes the government.

Although Bush and his top officials ordered and endorsed torture, the courts had found that it was illegal under U.S. law and treaty obligations. Now torture is, for the first time, legal.

"Over all," reports The New York Times, "the legislation reallocates power among the three branches of government, taking authority away from the judiciary and handing it to the president." Bruce Ackerman, professor of law and political science at Yale, notes that the MCA trashes the centuries-old right of a prisoner to petition to the courts: "If Congress can strip courts of jurisdiction over cases because it fears their outcome, judicial independence is threatened."

How did we get here? Good Germans--and many of them were decent, moral people--asked themselves the same thing. The answer is incrementalism, the tendency of radical change to manifest itself in bits and pieces. People who should have known better--journalists, Democrats, and Republicans who are more loyal to their country than their party--allowed Bush and his neofascist gangsters to hijack our republic and its values. They weren't as bad as Bush. They just couldn't see the big picture.

Just as no single rollback led marked the transition from the Weimar Republic to the Third Reich, no event is individually responsible for America's shocking five-year transformation from beacon of freedom to autocratic torture state. It wasn't just letting Bush get away with his 2000 coup d'état. It wasn't just us standing by as he deliberately allowed his family friend Osama bin Laden to escape, or as he invaded Afghanistan, or as he built the concentration camps at Guantánamo and elsewhere, or even Iraq. It was all of those things collectively.

The Military Commissions Act signals that our traditional system of beliefs and government has irrevocably devolved into moral bankruptcy. Memo to Senator McCain: You don't negotiate with terrorists, and you don't compromise with torturers.

It doesn't matter how much food aid we ship to the victims of the next global natural disaster, or how diplomatic our next president is, or whether we come to regret what we have done in the name of law and order. Our laws permit kidnapping, torture and murder. Our laws deny access to the courts. The United States has ceded the moral high ground to its enemies.

We are done.

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14-10.-2006, 12:29 PM	#2
davidmc Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: metro dc USA Posts: 3,394	Re: Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism He might have a few questions to answer come November 8th Is this the same Ted Rall See pic Attached Thumbnails __________________ I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death. George Carlin US comedian and actor (1937 - ) Last edited by davidmc : 14-10.-2006 at 12:44 PM.

14-10.-2006, 01:10 PM

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Is this the same Ted Rall

See pic

Probably, though I'm not sure.

I'm sorry David, but I don't share your optimism toward the vote to solve the problem. It has been documented for the last 3 elections how effectively the people's will can be circumvented by the various GOP defrauding techniques. They also will have no incentive not to do it again because thus far, they have gotten away with it.

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14-10.-2006, 10:30 PM

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The fact that you are allowed to post the retarded drivel that you do here speaks volumes for the legitimacy of this forum.

You're what normal people call...an idiot.

15-10.-2006, 10:30 AM	#5
Wurm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,148	Re: Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism Prove that what I've posted is not true, Bill. Otherwise, shut up and go back to watching Faux News. __________________ "Bush is the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." - John Dean, former Counsel to the President (Nixon) The aim of big corporations is to separate fools from their money all of the time and ordinary folks from their money most of the time. The rest of us must fend for ourselves.

15-10.-2006, 12:02 PM

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Prove that what I've posted is not true, Bill.

Otherwise, shut up and go back to watching Faux News.

I don't need to prove it...even the Bush haters think you're a moron....you're just a convenient pet to keep around.

P.S. I don't watch Fox News....was that the best you had?

15-10.-2006, 05:48 PM

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I don't need to prove it...

Umm...yes you do, Bill. Unfortunately (for you) you can't because what I said is fact, which is why you're going off like the insane miscreant that you are.

When the truth about the thugs you support is told it angers & confuses you Bill. It's called cognitive dissonance. That's what happens when you load up too much on Faux News and freerepublic and newsmax and Drudge Report.

Tsk, tsk.

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..even the Bush haters think you're a moron....

Which "Bush haters" might they be, Bill...the ones in your frustrated delusions?

I see your 'script has run out again. Better get back to the clinic soon, eh Bill?

15-10.-2006, 11:01 PM

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Umm...yes you do, Bill. Unfortunately (for you) you can't because what I said is fact, which is why you're going off like the insane miscreant that you are.

Going off? Yeah ok.

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When the truth about the thugs you support is told it angers & confuses you Bill. It's called cognitive dissonance. That's what happens when you load up too much on Faux News and freerepublic and newsmax and Drudge Report.

Tsk, tsk.

Newsflash...I don't watch Fox News...I don't know what the freerepublic is and I don't listen or watch the Drudge report.

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Which "Bush haters" might they be, Bill...the ones in your frustrated delusions?

I see your 'script has run out again. Better get back to the clinic soon, eh Bill?

I am not even a Bush fan......he's a moron....just like you....but at least he is sane.

16-10.-2006, 02:50 AM	#9
davidmc Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: metro dc USA Posts: 3,394	Re: Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism I am not a bush-hater but a lover of america. By proxy, I hate everything bush has done to weaken the country both economically and judicially not to diminish the diplomatic damage him and his cadre have inflicted __________________ I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death. George Carlin US comedian and actor (1937 - )

16-10.-2006, 02:56 AM

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I am not a bush-hater but a lover of america. By proxy, I hate everything bush has done to weaken the country both economically and judicially not to diminish the diplomatic damage him and his cadre have inflicted

I think as a whole...Bush has done a piss poor job....albeit with the best of intentions.

16-10.-2006, 05:26 AM	#11
stevebaby Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Craggy Island Posts: 2,680	Re: Proof positive that Bu$hCo = Nazism "...my natural constituency...the Haves...and the Have-mores." G.W Bush __________________ I'm Rooting for Chiara! Drink!Feck!Arrse!Girls! bastard

16-10.-2006, 09:36 AM

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....albeit with the best of intentions.

Right. For everyone except 99% of the US public and the world at large.

16-10.-2006, 10:01 AM

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All fine & good, David. However, just for the record, I AM a Bush hater, a Bush administration hater, a Bush policy hater, a Neo Con hater, a hater of the last couple of GOP-controlled Congresses, and a hater of anyone at any time that supports any of the above. Ipso facto. I don't split hairs anymore about who knew what when, or that some may have been duped by the media, the intelligence agencies, or any other excuses.

In almost 6 years, I've not found one good reason not to despise these bastards. If anyone can find one, please enlighten me.

16-10.-2006, 11:16 AM

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Prozac.

Consider it.

16-10.-2006, 02:26 PM

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You are right for the most part. They have consciously made decisions detrimental to the vast majority of Americans. If it were simply incompetence that would be one thing but it has been carefully calculated & executed. Enrich the rich by foisting unfunded mandates on the unborn. Unconscionable

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