Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone

04-02.-2007, 08:39 AM	#1
cat6 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 86	Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone http://velonews.com/news/fea/11589.0.html I guess it is not that uncommon.. probably Blatchford, and others are doing the same..

07-02.-2007, 08:19 AM	#2
Billsworld Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 797	Re: Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone Why would you assume Blatchford or any other US rider was using anything? Must be the blazing fast times , or maybe the strong showings at world cup events. Blatchford is a youg kid, Alfred is a 39 year old trying to hang in. Dumb to accuse the whole Spike team!

08-02.-2007, 02:36 AM

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http://velonews.com/news/fea/11589.0.html

I guess it is not that uncommon.. probably Blatchford, and others are doing the same..

This is ridiculous accusation. As a resident athlete, Blatch was tested regularly. There is no reason to even suspect he is running top fuel.

You say "Another us rider from SPIKE team"... are you implying there were other spike riders running top fuel?

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08-02.-2007, 10:54 AM

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My first thought was to ignore the stupidity, but I couldnt. Back to FGF

09-02.-2007, 02:35 AM

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My first thought was to ignore the stupidity, but I couldnt. Back to FGF

Bill, we probably both should have ignored!

See you at HOME ;-)

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09-02.-2007, 06:53 AM

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Just prepare for the next homegrown doping scandal in 4-5 weeks..
At this point sprinters results are so slow that they might stop dope themselves..(no competition and no international starts for either men or women riders).
As far as it goes this is the beginning of the end of US mens sprint.

09-02.-2007, 06:57 AM

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We are talking USADA.... 4-5 weeks? How about 4-5 months?

Just being realistic!

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11-02.-2007, 10:45 AM	#8
Flyer's.Finale! Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 440	Re: Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone Absolutely no surprise about Stephen's anabolic steroids and female hormones. Everyone knew---but could not say. (not politically correct) Look to Stephen's teammates, training partners, coaches and competitiors for more of the same. Next thing you know, Aussies trackies will start popping up with equine Growth Hormones eGH from an Adelaide based drug firm. 99.999% of doped athletes can pass $200 urine tests. Stephen certainly did over many, many years---just as everyone else did/does too. They do NOT even test for 'synthetic testosterone' or hCH or Clomid UNLESS you blow up your T/E past 4:1. It was 6:1 two years ago. Nevermind the insulin, hGH, EPO microdosing that no test can ever catch. Inotherwords---you can be doped out of your mind--and be considered 'clean'. Such is the righteous tradition of the commercial Olympian. Stephen must have offended someone at USA Cycling & USADA, else they would have fixed this result as they routinely do. Last edited by Flyer's.Finale! : 11-02.-2007 at 11:53 AM.

12-02.-2007, 05:03 AM

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Re: Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone

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Absolutely no surprise about Stephen's anabolic steroids and female hormones.

Everyone knew---but could not say. (not politically correct)

Look to Stephen's teammates, training partners, coaches and competitiors for more of the same.

Next thing you know, Aussies trackies will start popping up with equine Growth Hormones eGH from an Adelaide based drug firm.

99.999% of doped athletes can pass $200 urine tests. Stephen certainly did over many, many years---just as everyone else did/does too.

They do NOT even test for 'synthetic testosterone' or hCH or Clomid UNLESS you blow up your T/E past 4:1. It was 6:1 two years ago. Nevermind the insulin, hGH, EPO microdosing that no test can ever catch.

Inotherwords---you can be doped out of your mind--and be considered 'clean'. Such is the righteous tradition of the commercial Olympian. Stephen must have offended someone at USA Cycling & USADA, else they would have fixed this result as they routinely do.

Simple fact of the matter here is that Alfred couldn't afford a good lawyer to get him off...

12-02.-2007, 05:11 AM	#10
Billsworld Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 797	Re: Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone I am confused. Are you guys bashing US sprinters as being slow , broke and on drugs, or are you claiming that the whole sport is dirty.? What is your reaction to the handfull of guys that went under 10.0 in Moscow?

13-02.-2007, 04:47 AM

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I am confused. Are you guys bashing US sprinters as being slow , broke and on drugs, or are you claiming that the whole sport is dirty.? What is your reaction to the handfull of guys that went under 10.0 in Moscow?

In a word: YES!

Is that not obvious?

13-02.-2007, 10:23 AM	#12
Billsworld Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 797	Re: Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone Yes to both questions? I guess your going to share with us your insight on the "natural" human capabilities of a male sprint cyclist. If you are faster than X you must be on something What is X?

13-02.-2007, 10:52 AM

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Yes to both questions? I guess your going to share with us your insight on the "natural" human capabilities of a male sprint cyclist. If you are faster than X you must be on something

What is X?

Losing the the first argument (all track racers avoid anabolic steroids, tosterone, female hormones, hGH and other Polypharmacy) you will now attempt to:

1) reframe the debate
2) promote mythology of 'clean Olympic level sport'
3) discredit anyone who suggests the obvious---THEY ALL DOPE at this level
4) raise your voice, scream and plug your ears.

Time to remove the Nike ceiling Lance posters too.

13-02.-2007, 11:56 AM	#14
Billsworld Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 797	Re: Another US rider from SPIKE team caught using testosterone No reframe at all. There is/was no debate. You imply that all elite track sprinters are juicers . Not just the slow underfunded Americans, but all of them. You also seem to have problems with the UCI testing methods. Frankly I dont know squat about drug use or the testing methods(seriously , I dont) and am now seeking your apparent wisdom on how fast a sprinter can go before he is going to be subjected to your drug accusations. Is the term "elite" defined by his times, or simply by the fact that he is competing at world cup events.....Is it "everyone at World Cup events on drugs or everone that goes faster than X on drugs. ...Just confused..... BTW I dont give Lance much thought.

13-02.-2007, 12:26 PM

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No reframe at all. There is/was no debate. You imply that all elite track sprinters are juicers . Not just the slow underfunded Americans, but all of them. You also seem to have problems with the UCI testing methods. Frankly I dont know squat about drug use or the testing methods(seriously , I dont) and am now seeking your apparent wisdom on how fast a sprinter can go before he is going to be subjected to your drug accusations. Is the term "elite" defined by his times, or simply by the fact that he is competing at world cup events.....Is it "everyone at World Cup events on drugs or everone that goes faster than X on drugs. ...Just confused..... BTW I dont give Lance much thought.

I know you are wholly uneducated re: so-called drug protocols. that was apparent since you obviously believe in marketing myths, not the dirty facts.

the feeble and underfunded tests do not test for things easliy detectable such as testosterone and instead test for indirect measures which are more about health levels for chheaters, then the unbiquitous cheating itself.

btw: if every elite track athete was subjected to a $300 'exogenious testosterone urine test' 100% would fail it.

The young U-23s would fail as well as the Stephen Alfred's who failed in 1998 at age 30 and failed again at age 38 in 2006. As well as Aussie track stars too. You know the names.

btw: I do not make accusations. Drug cheating is a fact of life. Like breathing is.

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