Lying - now on the banned list!

janiejones

Is seems as though pro cyclists are not allowed to lie - what's next thou shalt not commit adultery and the rest of the ten commandments.


What a load of rubbish this tour has turned out to be - it is very obvious everyone is in everyone else's pockets, liggett, sherwen, Australia's own Tomarlaris (what a suck), prudhomme, lance, rabobank...

Bro Deal

Part of cycling's anti-doping program is out of competition tests for the top fifty riders. You are required to inform the UCI of where you will be at all times so these random tests can be conducted.

When a rider disappears for 22 days prior to the TdF and says he was somewhere in Mexico and was actually in Italy then he has broken the rules. It's really pretty simple.

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batjerk

I fail to see a problem with prohibiting lying. "It goes to character, your honor."

Besides, it isn't necessarily about lying, but more about being unreachable when he was required to be.

Lying and cheating go together, hand in hand.

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sogood

To say that one is in Mexico when you are in fact in Italy. That's a pretty bad lie! Enough to strongly suspect wrong doing.

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Stu07

+1 If it was not OK to be caught doping, but OK to lie about your location to avoid being tested, then there would be no enforcement regime. Just make sure you disappear when you are being tested and you can race. IMHO, missing one test (not the 3 currently) should be automatic exclusion - if not, we're basically saying they can dope up twice as long as we don't find about about it.

sideshow_bob

He lied to his employer who subsequently took disciplinary action. I don't really see how this is any different to the real world the rest of us reside in.

I'm fairly certain that if I rang into work sick tomorrow and went out riding instead and got caught, that my emplyoyer would take some form of action up to and including being fired.

--brett

azul_fahrrad

[QUOTE=janiejones]Is seems as though pro cyclists are not allowed to lie - what's next thou shalt not commit adultery and the rest of the ten commandments.
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Would adhering to the 10 commandments be a bad thing? Every system of faith has some similiar sort of code.

Is it to much to ask or expect that people adhere to maintain a certain level of conduct?

Every athlete at the elite level is in a position of influence wether they like it or not and is consequently a role model wether they like it or not, it is part of the job.

Only the mindless dribble or moral relativism absolves or excuses them of misconduct. Untill they admit their mistake and ask for forgiveness, they desrve much worse than being fired.

alienator

Talk about mindless dribble, and by dribble I assume you mean drivel. I would count your "words" as mindless drivel, too. I would expect a superior being would be above the petty emotions and needs of humans, emotions and needs like anger, revenge, spite, glorification by others.....ad infinitum.

neiljadman

azul_fahrrad

Perhaps, depending on which belief system you subscribe to but we are talking about conduct lacking a strong moral foundation which is the main concern for superior beings.

alienator

Oh, really? What makes you think that? And, perchance, what metric are you using to measure "morals," eh?

azul_fahrrad

Well ultimately the "metric" is a personal view that is ultimately a matter between an individual and The Creator.


My response was to this post.

Every person that I know that has anything close to a moral foundation consider lying to be bad, worng, immoral, etc.

And while I have not asked them I would be willing to wager that all of them would agree that doping to win a race is also immoral, they are all either Hindu, Christians or Muslims.

Short of moral relativism, I make an effort to be open minded. Please forgive me if I have failed.

Cycler6n

If God didn't care about us, then why would he have created us? Or why did He send His Son down to die and rase again for us?

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alienator

Uhm, faith is a personal belief. It is not necessarily fact based. That is why it's called faith: you believe in something despite the lack of evidence.

So, please: don't preach as if you have facts in your pocket or as if your view is the correct view.

Prosthelitizing is disgusting and terribly offensive to every non-Christian religion in the world, as well as to anyone with alternative beliefs.