So who thinks Armstrong was dopin'?

Cycler6n

I do +1

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azul_fahrrad

It is increasingly harder to believe that there are any clean pro riders.

I have a friend from France who just laughs at me as if the idea is ridiculous, he says only Americans believer in such a thing.

Bro Deal

Is this some sort of stupidity test? If say that he wasn't doping, you fail.

I mean, come on, aside from all the circumstantial evidence and the six positives for EPO in his retro-tested urine, every one he raced against has been shown to be a doper.

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azul_fahrrad

I prefer to think of myself as uninformed.

What is the circumstantial evidence? Who tested his urine, when did they do it and by what authority? Why has he not been stripped of his jerseys?

Cycler6n

I don't mind if I fail, even if he wasn't doping, I still wouldn't like him. So do you think he was doping?

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Bro Deal

Of course. The retro-tests plus the circumstantial evidence and the people who have come forward make it a slam dunk.

Lemond was the last TdF winner who might have won clean.

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zigoat

Lemond was the last TdF winner who might have won clean.[/QUOTE]I find it hard to believe that Lemond was immersed and accepted in the european racing environment at that time without using the same "SUPPLEMENTS" as everyone else was. just my opinion though. But none the less he was probably the best american racer ever. He could win without having 8 other champions win 95% of the race for him.

& I don't care if armstrong was doped. if he was positive than the playing field was level, if he was clean than he beat the guys who had a chemical edge to make up for his team edge.

winners win and the losers cry foul.

adrian knight

There are known clean riders, Mottet, Basson, Wiggins to name but three. However none of them have won the tour de france - you need a little extra help to do this !!!.