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Old 21-09.-2007, 03:08 AM   #1
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Default Landis looses arbitration.

will he appeal?
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Why can't 80% of people on the Internet spell lose?
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Why can't 80% of people on the Internet spell lose?
I don't know but Hayden still rocks.
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Why can't 80% of people on the Internet spell lose?

possibly b/c English it's not their native tongue?
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Old 21-09.-2007, 10:29 AM   #7
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Its not mine either.
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possibly b/c English it's not their native tongue?

That could be and if so I apologize to the poster specifically, but I am talking in a more general sense. Even on sites where the population is mostly American and native English speakers, the majority of the participants seem to be incapable of telling the difference between "loose" and "lose." Take slashdot, for example, a site where half the people there think of themselbes as geniuses; only a small percentage know the difference.

Sorry, a pet peeve. Probably should not have brought it up.
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It's because the school systems let people get away with it.

They should bring back the cane and give kids a good whupping when they make stupid mistakes like that.
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Good on them for posting anyway.... there are 1000s & 1000s of lurkers out there who don't/can't/won't post because they spell worse than my pet fish....

I've found my spelling has improved dramatically with the advent of the net and people flaming each other over it...

These days I blame mistakes on typing...

My pet peeve is (your, youre, you're,). Especially among Australians... (and I'm one).

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Anyway, back to the OP's question, I think Landis will appeal. He already won a partial victory with the TE test being tossed out. The decision is mealy mouthed enough to give some hope that CAS might toss the IRMS test. Plus CAS has a history of occassionally finding for the athlete. It must have sucked to be Landis going into the the arbitration with the USADA knowing that the arbs have never found in favor of the athlete.
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Anyway, back to the OP's question, I think Landis will appeal. He already won a partial victory with the TE test being tossed out. The decision is mealy mouthed enough to give some hope that CAS might toss the IRMS test. Plus CAS has a history of occassionally finding for the athlete. It must have sucked to be Landis going into the the arbitration with the USADA knowing that the arbs have never found in favor of the athlete.
I reckon the finidng was a win for Landis. Because I think the Landaluze case was just as sketchy when it went before the CAS and they found for the IL.
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Anyway, back to the OP's question, I think Landis will appeal. He already won a partial victory with the TE test being tossed out. The decision is mealy mouthed enough to give some hope that CAS might toss the IRMS test. Plus CAS has a history of occassionally finding for the athlete. It must have sucked to be Landis going into the the arbitration with the USADA knowing that the arbs have never found in favor of the athlete.


The question is not IF Landis doped, but WHEN. According to a friend of mine who is a retired pro athlete and has written several books on the subject of doping, Landis in all probability did not dope during the Tour. He doped several months before during training.

What happened in the Tour was a false TE reading, a spike, brought on by dehydration. That spike was brought on by the fact that he improperly doped several months before. According to my friend, there is a way to dope and to beat the system. Weight lifters do it all the time. It has to do with how you wean yourself off the steroids which allows your body to resume the natural production of testosterone. If you come off too quickly, you run the risk of the false spike during the stress of competition which is probably what happened to Landis.

If you want to zero in on the WHEN he might have doped, you have to go back through all the photos of Landis, especially during the training period before the Tour and look for any noticable change in the contours of his leg muscles. Look for before-and-after kinds of pictures. If his legs show a marked changed in muscle conformation, that's when he was doping.
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The question is not IF Landis doped, but WHEN. According to a friend of mine who is a retired pro athlete and has written several books on the subject of doping, Landis in all probability did not dope during the Tour. He doped several months before during training.

What happened in the Tour was a false TE reading, a spike, brought on by dehydration. That spike was brought on by the fact that he improperly doped several months before. According to my friend, there is a way to dope and to beat the system. Weight lifters do it all the time. It has to do with how you wean yourself off the steroids which allows your body to resume the natural production of testosterone. If you come off too quickly, you run the risk of the false spike during the stress of competition which is probably what happened to Landis.

If you want to zero in on the WHEN he might have doped, you have to go back through all the photos of Landis, especially during the training period before the Tour and look for any noticable change in the contours of his leg muscles. Look for before-and-after kinds of pictures. If his legs show a marked changed in muscle conformation, that's when he was doping.

This goes beyond his TE ratio. The IRMS test showed the use of exogenous testosterone. When the other B samples were tested they showed that Landis was using testosterone throughout the TdF. The typical testosterone gel that is used has a smalll detection window.
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This goes beyond his TE ratio. The IRMS test showed the use of exogenous testosterone. When the other B samples were tested they showed that Landis was using testosterone throughout the TdF. The typical testosterone gel that is used has a smalll detection window.

Basically, we both agree. He was dirty. He was looking for an edge and got caught. The question I've raised with my friend is this: since the doping was done wrong (his theory), was Landis self-administering the steroids or were they being introduced into him by a trainer without his knowledge? Same question for you. You've got to be abjectly stupid to dope during the race. Landis has never impressed me as being stupid.
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