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28-09.-2007, 09:33 AM
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NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say.
*** Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules NTC is interested in your views on the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules. You are invited to complete a brief online questionnaire. Click here: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules http://www.ntc.gov.au/ViewPage.aspx...215508300830020 |
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28-09.-2007, 10:12 AM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
On Sep 28, 8:33 am, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xl...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: > Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are > interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and > other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. Is this possible without decreasing safety (perceived or real) for the motor vehicle driver? The biggest thing that would influence safety for more vulnerable road users would be a redesign of the attitude/ skills of most drivers. Simple answer, bloody difficult to implement though  Graeme |
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28-09.-2007, 11:30 AM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
Graeme Dods wrote:
> On Sep 28, 8:33 am, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xl...@no- > mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: >> Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are >> interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and >> other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. > > Is this possible without decreasing safety (perceived or real) for the > motor vehicle driver? The biggest thing that would influence safety > for more vulnerable road users would be a redesign of the attitude/ > skills of most drivers. Simple answer, bloody difficult to implement > though > > Graeme > It's not impossible though. Changes I've seen in my time include compulsory wearing of seat-belts, smoke free areas, helmets on motor bikes and bicycles, some form of gun controls. All of these were considered unthinkable at one time. Dorf |
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28-09.-2007, 12:24 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
In aus.bicycle on Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:12:38 -0700
Graeme Dods <GraemeDods@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 28, 8:33 am, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xl...@no- > mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: >> Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are >> interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and >> other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. > > Is this possible without decreasing safety (perceived or real) for the > motor vehicle driver? The biggest thing that would influence safety yes. For example, they already require front ends that are more likely to deflect someone they hit rather than impale or slice the poor sod. However a quick look at the "survey" seems to be more like "we think national standards are a good thing, you do too, right?" rather than letting you say "bullbars in the city are stupid, and while we are at it what's with the foglights?" Zebee |
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28-09.-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
On Sep 28, 10:30 am, Dorfus Dippintush
<Dorfus.Dippint...@kippinbot.com> wrote: > It's not impossible though. Changes I've seen in my time include > compulsory wearing of seat-belts, smoke free areas, helmets on motor > bikes and bicycles, some form of gun controls. All of these were > considered unthinkable at one time. But those are all pretty much telling people to do or not do something fairly basic. Telling people, for example, "you must be more aware of other road users" is far more complex and virtually unenforceable. To even get this happening in the first place would take considerable training rather than something as black and white as "you must put on your seat belt/not smoke here/not have this type of gun etc." which can be reinforced by simple repetition/policing. Graeme |
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28-09.-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
"Dorfus Dippintush" wrote: > Graeme Dods wrote: >> On Sep 28, 8:33 am, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xl...@no- >> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: >>> Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are >>> interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and >>> other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. >> >> Is this possible without decreasing safety (perceived or real) for the >> motor vehicle driver? The biggest thing that would influence safety >> for more vulnerable road users would be a redesign of the attitude/ >> skills of most drivers. Simple answer, bloody difficult to implement >> though >> >> Graeme >> > > It's not impossible though. Changes I've seen in my time include > compulsory wearing of seat-belts, smoke free areas, helmets on motor bikes > and bicycles, some form of gun controls. All of these were considered > unthinkable at one time. Motor cars with a large spike protruding from the steering wheel?? Handlebar mounted scimitars??  |
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28-09.-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
On Sep 28, 11:24 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:12:38 -0700 > > Graeme Dods <GraemeD...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sep 28, 8:33 am, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xl...@no- > > mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: > >> Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are > >> interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and > >> other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. > > > Is this possible without decreasing safety (perceived or real) for the > > motor vehicle driver? The biggest thing that would influence safety > > yes. For example, they already require front ends that are more > likely to deflect someone they hit rather than impale or slice the > poor sod. > > However a quick look at the "survey" seems to be more like "we think > national standards are a good thing, you do too, right?" rather than > letting you say "bullbars in the city are stupid, and while we are at > it what's with the foglights?" I'm not sure how much effect national standards would have on the car manufacturers. Lots of the safety features currently included in modern cars have come from the manufacturers themselves and then been mandated some years later once there is enough market saturation. If somewhere as small (in terms of car sales) as Australia mandates Feature X and Feature X does not already exist then the car manufacturers are going to tell them where to go. Graeme |
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28-09.-2007, 12:48 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
In aus.bicycle on Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:42:19 -0700
Graeme Dods <GraemeDods@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure how much effect national standards would have on the car > manufacturers. Lots of the safety features currently included in > modern cars have come from the manufacturers themselves and then been > mandated some years later once there is enough market saturation. If > somewhere as small (in terms of car sales) as Australia mandates > Feature X and Feature X does not already exist then the car > manufacturers are going to tell them where to go. As they already do with some items. How many things were offered only in high end gear, then mandated in Europe and suddenly every model gets them? Zebee |
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28-09.-2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
Graeme Dods wrote:
> On Sep 28, 10:30 am, Dorfus Dippintush > <Dorfus.Dippint...@kippinbot.com> wrote: >> It's not impossible though. Changes I've seen in my time include >> compulsory wearing of seat-belts, smoke free areas, helmets on motor >> bikes and bicycles, some form of gun controls. All of these were >> considered unthinkable at one time. > > But those are all pretty much telling people to do or not do something > fairly basic. Telling people, for example, "you must be more aware of > other road users" is far more complex and virtually unenforceable. To > even get this happening in the first place would take considerable > training rather than something as black and white as "you must put on > your seat belt/not smoke here/not have this type of gun etc." which > can be reinforced by simple repetition/policing. > > Graeme > > I used those examples because they show where a change in attitude of the public was required. If you're old enough to remember before anti- smoking campaigns started if you asked someone in your office to stop smoking they'd laugh in your face and tell you to fook off. Other good examples are anti-littering campaigns and the very successful Life-be-in-it campaign which started off most off the existing fun runs from which triathlon is a descendant. Attitude changes are possible but they take time and persistence. Even the Liberal (?) party has been convinced of the need for action on climate change. Keep working on it. Dorf |
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28-09.-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> However a quick look at the "survey" seems to be more like "we think > national standards are a good thing, you do too, right?" rather than > letting you say "bullbars in the city are stupid, and while we are at > it what's with the foglights?" Judging by their preponderance, I'm beginning to think foglights are for dim people. Theo |
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28-09.-2007, 02:20 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
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It also relates to other vehicles not just cars. HGVs are a concern and the provision of skirts to semi trailers and the like is an aim by many. And B-Triples, (worry about them please). We have an opportunity for input, they may ignore one or two, but they can't ignore thousands, so give them input. Tell them in the comments section for each question, where they can do better, ( they do ask you to afterall) |
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28-09.-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
On 2007-09-28, Graeme Dods (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: > On Sep 28, 8:33 am, cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xl...@no- > mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: >> Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are >> interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and >> other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. > > Is this possible without decreasing safety (perceived or real) for the > motor vehicle driver? The biggest thing that would influence safety > for more vulnerable road users would be a redesign of the attitude/ > skills of most drivers. Simple answer, bloody difficult to implement > though A steel spike through the steering wheel doesn't decrease driver safety that much, and is more than outweighed by increased safety to everyone but the driver. -- TimC "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There's something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." - Bill Nye, the Science Guy |
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28-09.-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
On Sep 28, 2:59 pm, TimC <tconn...@no.spam.accepted.here-
astro.swin.edu.au> wrote: > > A steel spike through the steering wheel doesn't decrease driver > safety that much, and is more than outweighed by increased safety > to everyone but the driver. That statement may well be true [1] but it doesn't do much to win people over to your argument. It's akin to a religious zealot saying "join us or you're going to burn in hell for all eternity". Extreme statements turn people off, they may grab attention but the reaction is usually strongly negative rather than "that's interesting, tell me more." I heard that comment from someone about 15 years ago and my reaction was incredibly negative. He may have gone on to say something worthwhile after that but it was hard not to discount him as a raving lunatic (the electric shock hair-do and the wild staring eyes may also have influenced my opinion though). It was only years later after more background reading that I understood the reasoning behind the declaration, but we don't want to take that long to convince people Graeme [1] this is where someone screams "References?" |
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28-09.-2007, 04:51 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
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a steel spike mounted on the steering wheel , just might get their attention, they stuff up they soon know about it |
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28-09.-2007, 05:12 PM
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Re: NTC: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules
In article <cfsmtb.2xlhrb@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com>,
cfsmtb <cfsmtb.2xlhrb@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote: > Have opinions about Australian Vehicles Standards Rules? If you are > interested in making motor vehicles safer for pedestrians, cyclists and > other road users, here is an opportunity to have a say. > > *** > > Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules > > NTC is interested in your views on the Australian Vehicle Standards > Rules. You are invited to complete a brief online questionnaire. > > Click here: Review of the Australian Vehicle Standards Rules > http://www.ntc.gov.au/ViewPage.aspx...215508300830020 My 20 cents worth: 1, Hazard lights on cars should be hard-wired to flash whenever a door is open or ajar, and 2. The speed of the flash should be faster than normal turn indicator frequency to differentiate the different intended actions. It might give some warning just before idiot drivers fling open the door in a parking lane. |
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