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28-01.-2008, 02:54 PM	#1
Steve_B Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 490	Plausible? A bit of a long story behind this but I'll cut to the chase. Assuming a rider's FTP is properly assessed. On a day when motivation is average and TSB is ~0, should this ride (in the order presented) be possible or should the FTP value be questioned? 15 minutes warm up 60 minutes at 96% of FTP (VI = 1.0) (challenging but not a huge struggle to finish) 10 minutes easy + a few minutes off the bike to refuel 15 minutes at 100% FTP (VI = 1.0) (again, challenging but not a huge struggle to finish) 10 minutes cool down. I'm thinking that a solid hour at 96% should make it difficult to do the 15 minutes at 100% afterward. I know when I do a solid hour at FTP (and I've got the FTP right), there's no way I could do the additional 15 minutes at yet a higher IF afterwards. Thoughts?

28-01.-2008, 03:33 PM	#2
frenchyge Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, USA Posts: 3,560	Re: Plausible? Definitely possible, IMO. I'm not sure about the PEs ("challenging but not a huge struggle to finish"), but I think it could be done without a herculean effort.

28-01.-2008, 11:54 PM	#3
RHR38 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 32	Re: Plausible? It depends. After too easy recovery period from hard training period + new defined FTP = maybe not possible. After good long stage race + few days proper recovery = way possible.

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29-01.-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve_B

A bit of a long story behind this but I'll cut to the chase.

Assuming a rider's FTP is properly assessed. On a day when motivation is average and TSB is ~0, should this ride (in the order presented) be possible or should the FTP value be questioned?

15 minutes warm up
60 minutes at 96% of FTP (VI = 1.0) (challenging but not a huge struggle to finish)
10 minutes easy + a few minutes off the bike to refuel
15 minutes at 100% FTP (VI = 1.0) (again, challenging but not a huge struggle to finish)
10 minutes cool down.

I'm thinking that a solid hour at 96% should make it difficult to do the 15 minutes at 100% afterward. I know when I do a solid hour at FTP (and I've got the FTP right), there's no way I could do the additional 15 minutes at yet a higher IF afterwards.

Thoughts?

Ignoring the 'few minutes off the bike bit' for the core 1:25 workout I get an IF around 0.94 ... that honestly doesn't seem exceptional unless perhaps all performed indoors in a poorly ventilated room etc.

I've done plenty of indoor workouts like:
40min @ 100%FTP
5min @ 55% FTP
15min @ 103% FTP

Core workout: 60-min @ 0.99IF

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29-01.-2008, 02:45 AM	#5
Animator Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 112	Re: Plausible? FWIW, I regularly ride over 2 hours at an IF greater than .94 on a rolling/steep courses. So it seems plausible to me that someone else could do what you did (I get bored at VI=1 but to each his own). __________________ www.ghisalloanimation.com

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29-01.-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve_B

A bit of a long story behind this but I'll cut to the chase.

Assuming a rider's FTP is properly assessed. On a day when motivation is average and TSB is ~0, should this ride (in the order presented) be possible or should the FTP value be questioned?

15 minutes warm up
60 minutes at 96% of FTP (VI = 1.0) (challenging but not a huge struggle to finish)
10 minutes easy + a few minutes off the bike to refuel
15 minutes at 100% FTP (VI = 1.0) (again, challenging but not a huge struggle to finish)
10 minutes cool down.

I'm thinking that a solid hour at 96% should make it difficult to do the 15 minutes at 100% afterward. I know when I do a solid hour at FTP (and I've got the FTP right), there's no way I could do the additional 15 minutes at yet a higher IF afterwards.

Thoughts?

Definitely possible.

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29-01.-2008, 04:08 AM

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that honestly doesn't seem exceptional unless perhaps all performed indoors in a poorly ventilated room etc.

It was indoors but well ventilated and cooled as well.

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I get bored at VI=1 but to each his own.

I hear you. The last time I did a full hour effort that hard was in late November and it was VI>>1.0, IF~1.0 and on hilly terrain. It was much more exciting than the trainer but I was trashed after that and I barely made it home.

Ok, so the consensus is "plausible". I was hoping that my FTP assessment was a bit low (for this and other reasons too) but I think that perhaps that's a bit premature. At least I seem to have gotten through my annual "trainer adjustment period" where I can't seem to focus for more than 10 minutes at a time.

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29-01.-2008, 06:03 AM

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Ok, so the consensus is "plausible". I was hoping that my FTP assessment was a bit low (for this and other reasons too) but I think that perhaps that's a bit premature.

No, I think the answers indicate that the workout is possible for a given FTP. If the FTP is underestimated, then it becomes even more plausible. IOW, if it's you that we're talking about, then you FTP is probably correct or slightly *low.*

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29-01.-2008, 07:07 AM

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IOW, ... then you FTP is probably correct or slightly *low.*

Yes, I agree.

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30-01.-2008, 11:07 AM

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Ignoring the 'few minutes off the bike bit' for the core 1:25 workout I get an IF around 0.94 ...

In fact, the IF of the ride up to the start of the second interval was only 0.89 and after the second interval, 0.91. When you look it that way, both of these are very managable for an hour and a fraction, of course. I guess I forgot to look at it that way and just immediately assumed that I ought to be too tired after the hour.

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