Plastic Floating in the Pacific!

Mike Vandeman

http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

pmh

On Feb 7, 8:05 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Probably put there by mountain bikers! lol

PMH

Stormin Mormon

I'm not going to support any project unless it has a mountain bike trail.

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"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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http://marine-liter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Bruce Jensen

On Feb 7, 5:05*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf

Beyond this discussion, Mike, is there any other documentation, or
discussion of the estimated costs for cleanup?

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:cmanq3li3jb6rj9vslm8u8q1v3272cgqnq@4ax.com...
> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf


Scaring !!
Ill stay in the woods.....

/t

Jeff Strickland

I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.

Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns -- paper
eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use plastic
and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I generally
answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic, please."

Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.

Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we save a
tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a bird,
(leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood the side
of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted to remedy
when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.

Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a real
issue ...






"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:cmanq3li3jb6rj9vslm8u8q1v3272cgqnq@4ax.com...
> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Seth Hammond

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:mQ2rj.79$x%3.71@trnddc06...
>I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.
>
> Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
> so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns --
> paper eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use
> plastic and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I
> generally answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic,
> please."
>
> Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.
>
> Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we save
> a tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a bird,
> (leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood the
> side of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted to
> remedy when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.
>
> Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a
> real issue ...

Down here in the Sonoran Desert, we blame Messicans for all the plastic bags
blowing free. Some call them Messican Tumbleweeds - even the ones found 250
miles from the border....

boulder

"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:cmanq3li3jb6rj9vslm8u8q1v3272cgqnq@4ax.com...
> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
> --
> (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
you could have had a life instead.

Jeff Strickland

"Seth Hammond" <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:613slfF1senckU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:mQ2rj.79$x%3.71@trnddc06...
>>I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.
>>
>> Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming
>> rate, so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL
>> concerns -- paper eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment,
>> so let's use plastic and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments
>> go, and I generally answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with,
>> "plastic, please."
>>
>> Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.
>>
>> Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we
>> save a tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a
>> bird, (leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood
>> the side of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted
>> to remedy when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.
>>
>> Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a
>> real issue ...
>
> Down here in the Sonoran Desert, we blame Messicans for all the plastic
> bags blowing free. Some call them Messican Tumbleweeds - even the ones
> found 250 miles from the border....
>
>


That's luggage. Well, not luggage per se, but a suitcase. If there are two
from the same store, that's matching luggage. You have yourself a high class
migrant there (with matching suitcases) ...

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:20:15 -0800 (PST), Bruce Jensen
<bpnjensen@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Feb 7, 5:05*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
>
>Beyond this discussion, Mike, is there any other documentation, or
>discussion of the estimated costs for cleanup?

I don't know, but I'd like to help. I even bought my own trash
picker-upper. Good for picking up things that fall off of mountain
bikes.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike Vandeman

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:20:34 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@verizon.net> wrote:

>I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.
>
>Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
>so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns -- paper
>eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use plastic
>and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I generally
>answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic, please."
>
>Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.

Just like a mountain biker: blame the environmentalists. No one forced
you to use plastic.

>Environmentalism comes with a wealth of unintended consequences -- we save a
>tree but spoil the water, make electricity from wind but chop up a bird,
>(leaping forward a few decades ... ) drive fuel cell cars and flood the side
>of the road -- that seem to be worse than the problem we wanted to remedy
>when we embarked on the environmentalist agenda.
>
>Having said that, it is refreshing to see Vandeman get excited about a real
>issue ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:cmanq3li3jb6rj9vslm8u8q1v3272cgqnq@4ax.com...
>> http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>> fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Siskuwihane

On Feb 8, 9:46*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:20:34 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
>
> <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >I would like to direct your attention to the '70s, if I may.
>
> >Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
> >so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns -- paper
> >eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use plastic
> >and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I generally
> >answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic, please."
>
> >Now, I am the bad guy again because plastic floats.
>
> Just like a mountain biker: blame the environmentalists. No one forced
> you to use plastic.
>

No one forced you to take a jet to an international environmental
conference, DUH!

Siskuwihane

On Feb 8, 9:44*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:20:15 -0800 (PST), Bruce Jensen
>
> <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 7, 5:05*pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>http://marine-litter.gpa.unep.org/documents/World's_largest_landfill.pdf
>
> >Beyond this discussion, Mike, is there any other documentation, or
> >discussion of the estimated costs for cleanup?
>
> I don't know, but I'd like to help.

Maybe you could fly over the area in a jet that is spewing toxins into
the air.

V-for-Vendicar

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote
> Back then, the problem was paper bags eating up trees at an alarming rate,
> so they came up with plastic bags because of ENVIRONMENTAL concerns --
> paper eats trees, eating trees is bad for the environment, so let's use
> plastic and save the trees. Not a bad argument as arguments go, and I
> generally answered the question, "paper or plastic?" with, "plastic,
> please."

Virtually all of my groceries come home in cloth (probably hemp) bags, and
have done for the last 15 years. Same bags every time.

They are great because they clasp shut and can be carried on the sholder.
They are the perfect size, capable of holding about 20 lbs each - extremely
strong, durable, washable, and usable for a variety of other purposes.
Unfortunately they have become worn and I can't find similar replacements.

A few days ago I picked up a reusable tarp like plastic bag. Inferior but
still reusable and made from 100% recycled materials.

Bag cost me a buck.