Kloden farked again

Bro Deal

The commission investigating the T-Mobile-Freiburg doping has linked Kloden to doping, including a shipment of medical "supplies" to his girlfriend.

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TheDarkLord

So, he was sitting quiet with the hope that the storm would blow over and he would weather it with the sacrifice of a few riders? Then again, he has already gotten some punishment with the departure of Astana during the last Tour, and the non-invitation for the coming Tour. But he can probably start thinking about retiring.

Crankyfeet

Hey guys... guess what... Kloden is a doper.... Hee hee... he could get caught.

How does Lance keep getting off scot-free? The bastard was the biggest doper of all and is living a decadent life of luxury with pretty little celeb girlfriends...

I think we have to find out which clinic Ferrari used... we have to get someone to talk... who has some recorded evidence.

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Rolfrae

It may be this knowledge that gets someone to own up, finally. So Heras, Hamilton, Sevilla, Kloden, Ulle, Ffloyd, Basso, Botero, Ras, Mayo etc etc were all doping but Lance could beat them all because of weighing his food and revving faster? Doesn't one of them want to speak out? If not then they don't deserve our sympathy.

limerickman

If all these guys were all doping.........................and given the performing enhancing benefits of EPO/HGH etc..............you'd think that that lot would have had better results/times.

It's interesting to review the amount of racers this doping generation have won and compare their palmares to their predecessors.
Given that the performance enhancing benefits of EPO are incrementally far higher and longer lasting than say, amphetamines, you'd think this lot would be totally outstripping the palmares of their predecessors???

This lot don't even come close to the palmares of the likes of Kelly/Hinault/Indurain..................and they're an eternity away from the likes of Merckx in terms of wins.

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morelike hypocrisy.

thunder

how you come to that Lim? There is only a set amount of wins, if the majority of the peloton is doping, it nullifies any potential hegemony of one individual from the dope.

Also, I'd argue, it is difficult to go a full season on dope. You have to cycle your form and dope. So others can be on a differnt form-dope curve, so if you are on the down cycle, no chance winning.

limerickman

The argument put forward by the apologists is that doping has occurred since day 1 of professional cycling.
Therefore, according to the apologists, EPO is the latest in a long line of performance enhancers.

On that basis, we know that EPO, for example, derives greater and longer performance enhancing benefits than say, amphetamines or Pot Belge.

So why, when you compare the palmares of an EPO user to perhaps and amphetamine user, does the records of their predecessors dwarf the records of the modern cyclists?

If they were all doping throughout cycling history : amphetamine usage in the 1960's throughout the peloton would nullify the benefits of amphetamine usage in that respective peloton.

Intra generational comaprisons would suggest that riders benefiting from a great enchancer (EPO) should derive better results compared to their predecessors results.

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morelike hypocrisy.

thunder

yeah, but your assumption is christian vandevelde or middle tier riders, do not dose up.

I say most do.

Cobblestones

Like 7 wins in a row compared to, say, 5 wins spread around?

Sorry, I had to say it. I know I know what you'll answer: number of stage wins, winning the green & polka dotted maillots, winning the classic one day races, winning races throughout the season, etc. But face it, for a US rider, with the kind of publicity races got in the US the past ten years, it made much more sense to focus entirely on the TdF, at which LA excelled.

thoughtforfood

There, fixed that for you.

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Rolfrae

Not better results (more wins) but faster times.

plectrum

Maybe the older generation just tried and trained harder, possibly because the dope now is cracked up to be a cycling panacea so the new age cyclists just thinks after he's pricked that's that and the race is won.

jimmypop

These guys still train insanely hard, which is why they rationalize the PED use. Also, some guys dope just to stay with the pack.

hawkeye87

That was my understanding with the domestiques. I was under the impression that they were doped in order to deliver the pounding necessary to deliver their GC guy to the front. Hence, the Blue Train always leading the pelaton in the TDF during LA's stint.

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