Do the "facility-of-the-month" photos work?

Ed Treijs

Hi;

I'm in Toronto Canada and just the other day browsing uk.rec.cycling I found
out about the Facility of the Month pictures at:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.m...month/index.htm

Bicyclists in Toronto are peeved at bollards placed on a busy waterfront
trail (and also one of the few good commuter routes in that part of the city).
The bollards act mainly to protect the drivers of vehicles crossing the path
to enter or leave the parking lot of a fairly upscale club. For instance,
see http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1536 or just google for "bollards boulevard
club martin goodman".

Alas, although both I and a cycling group brought the issue to the city's
Cycling committee, the city staff did the usual city staff bureaucratic spin/
mumble/obfuscate.

Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in the WCC's
site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or do they
just continue to mumble?

It's also the case that most of the bollards we deal with in Toronto are
probably quite amenable to an angle grinder, never mind the plasma cutter.

.....Ed

Paul Boyd

On 23/04/2008 19:08, Ed Treijs said,

> Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in the WCC's
> site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or do they
> just continue to mumble?

No, these don't work in the sense you mean. The local authorities that
design these "facilities" actually use FotM sites as a guide to what
they believe to be good practise ;-)

Have you seen http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/ ?

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Martin Dann

Ed Treijs wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I'm in Toronto Canada and just the other day browsing uk.rec.cycling I found
> out about the Facility of the Month pictures at:
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.m...month/index.htm
>
> Bicyclists in Toronto are peeved at bollards placed on a busy waterfront
> trail (and also one of the few good commuter routes in that part of the city).
> The bollards act mainly to protect the drivers of vehicles crossing the path
> to enter or leave the parking lot of a fairly upscale club. For instance,
> see http://www.ibiketo.ca/node/1536 or just google for "bollards boulevard
> club martin goodman".

There are a few that have been changed, but that is more likely due to
local campaigning, rather than being on FotM. You could try submitting a
picture of these to FotM.

I don't know how the legal system works in your province, but if a wheel
chair can't fit between these, then you could use disability
discrimination legislation, if such a beast exists.

Martin.

Peter Clinch

Ed Treijs wrote:

> Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in the WCC's
> site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or do they
> just continue to mumble?

I don't know about individual cases, but I think FotM is doing some
good because it does break out into national press coverage from
time to time, and that gets egg on folks' faces and they don't like
that.

Locally here my impression is that the council are learning, and
things I and others have moaned about do seem to get addressed, at
least in subsequent designs.

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

naked_draughtsman

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:08:32 +0200, Ed Treijs wrote:

> Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in the WCC's
> site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or do they
> just continue to mumble?

Generally no but some of the more well known ones (e.g. the phone box in
the cycle lane) got sorted out.

peter

Don Whybrow

naked_draughtsman wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:08:32 +0200, Ed Treijs wrote:
>
>> Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in the WCC's
>> site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or do they
>> just continue to mumble?
>
> Generally no but some of the more well known ones (e.g. the phone box in
> the cycle lane) got sorted out.

Didn't the Harlow Dismount-athon also get cleared up?

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop
diggin'.

Helen Deborah Vecht

naked_draughtsman <usenet3@petereverett.co.uk>typed


> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:08:32 +0200, Ed Treijs wrote:

> > Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in
> > the WCC's
> > site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or
> > do they
> > just continue to mumble?

> Generally no but some of the more well known ones (e.g. the phone box in
> the cycle lane) got sorted out.

> peter

The phone box in the cycle lane (my submission AAMOF) might have been
removed because BT are removing phone boxes wholesale anyway.

The green bin was still in the 'colour co-ordinated cycle facility' last
weekend.

--
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Edgware.

Dave Larrington

In news:679j4aF2njtamU2@mid.individual.net,
Don Whybrow <don@fwhybrow.wanadoo.co.uk> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell
us:
> naked_draughtsman wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:08:32 +0200, Ed Treijs wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in
>>> the WCC's site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into
>>> action, or do they just continue to mumble?
>>
>> Generally no but some of the more well known ones (e.g. the phone
>> box in the cycle lane) got sorted out.
>
> Didn't the Harlow Dismount-athon also get cleared up?

Yes.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
My only hope in life is to die before I get my comeuppence.

bugbear

Tom Crispin wrote:
>
> Better not submit this:
> www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclelane

Is that real? Where is it?

BugBear (amused)

Mark

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:10:35 +0100, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:31:04 +0100, Paul Boyd <usenet@abcd.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On 23/04/2008 19:08, Ed Treijs said,
>>
>>> Do you have better luck in the UK? Do the atrocities pictured in the WCC's
>>> site actually get fixed? Are the authorities shamed into action, or do they
>>> just continue to mumble?
>>
>>No, these don't work in the sense you mean. The local authorities that
>>design these "facilities" actually use FotM sites as a guide to what
>>they believe to be good practise ;-)
>
>Better not submit this:
>www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclelane

That can't be true .... can it?

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(")_(") I am blocking most articles posted from there.

Paul Boyd

Tom Crispin said the following on 23/04/2008 22:10:

> Better not submit this:
> www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclelane

Someone has to have done that as a joke, surely!

The photo has a sort of Dutch look about it. Anywhere close?

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Ben C

On 2008-04-24, bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote:
> Tom Crispin wrote:
>>
>> Better not submit this:
>> www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclelane
>
> Is that real? Where is it?

It looks a lot like Holland (where usually the bike paths are very
good).

Roos Eisma

Paul Boyd <usenet.is.worse@plusnet> writes:

>Tom Crispin said the following on 23/04/2008 22:10:

>> Better not submit this:
>> www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclelane

>Someone has to have done that as a joke, surely!

>The photo has a sort of Dutch look about it. Anywhere close?

The car certainly seems to have a Ducth number plate...

Roos

Tom Crispin

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:42:14 +0100, bugbear
<bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote:

>Tom Crispin wrote:
>>
>> Better not submit this:
>> www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclelane
>
>Is that real? Where is it?

I've no idea where it is, if it's a joke or real. The website I
nicked it from didn't say.

I expect it's a Dutch joke.