Mission accomplished +5

Robert Chung

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png

John Forrest Tomlinson

On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
<rechung@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png

Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
commanders on the ground. The next sixth months will be critical.

thefronny@gmail.com

On May 1, 4:18 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:

> Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off,


But the permanence of death is not, alas.


tf

Tom Kunich

"Robert Chung" <rechung@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1127d319-1b9c-4f97-bd5b-b390fe2833e9@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png

Why don't you make one of those charts for the French?

Donald Munro

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is evidence
> the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the commanders on
> the ground. The next sixth months will be critical.

Please stop being ironic, it messes up the bots neural network.

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com

On May 1, 4:18*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
>
> <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
> evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
> commanders on the ground. *The next sixth months will be critical.

If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago.

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 1, 7:50*am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 4:18*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
>
> > <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> > Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
> > evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
> > commanders on the ground. *The next sixth months will be critical.
>
> If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
> are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago.




Dumbass -


Not if they were going to de-Baathify the country. Sending in more
troops would not have solved the long term problem of the power vacuum
created by removing the government.

The only way to get it over w/ fast would've been to depose Saddam,
leave the power structure in place and appoint a more transparent head
of state.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

William Asher

Tom Kunich wrote:

> "Robert Chung" <rechung@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1127d319-1b9c-4f97-bd5b-b390fe2833e9@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> Why don't you make one of those charts for the French?
>
>

Probably not necessary. Most French can read english well enough to figure
the plot out without redoing it specifically for them.

--
Bill Asher

Paul G.

On May 1, 3:18 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
>
> <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
> evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
> commanders on the ground. The next sixth months will be critical.

US Troops killed in action in 2008:
Feb 29
Mar 39
Apr 51

I don't think that meets the definition of "tapering off".
Source: http://icasualties.org/oif/
-Paul

Paul G.

On May 1, 7:50 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 4:18 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
>
> > <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> > Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
> > evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
> > commanders on the ground. The next sixth months will be critical.
>
> If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
> are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago.

The best troops in the world can't overcome incompetent civilian
leadership- just ask the Germans and Japanese. If the voters had given
our troops the leadership they deserve we wouldn't have had this mess
at all; bin Laden would be dead, Al-Qaeda wiped out, and the Taliban
crushed by overwhelming force. Instead we have this gigantic mess
because it was a vast undertaking and our glorious leader does
everything half-vast.

Muslims believe that everything happens because "it's Allah's will",
so had we wiped out the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks the
Muslims would have taken that as a punishment from God. Instead, they
got the same sign from God they got when they defeated the Soviets in
Afghanistan- Muslims can take on a superpower and win. Every time bin
Laden sends out a message it must be because God is keeping him safe,
ergo God is on bin Laden's side. This is a calamity that will cost us
for generations.
-Paul

Scott

On May 1, 8:50*am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 4:18*am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
>
> > <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> > Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
> > evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
> > commanders on the ground. *The next sixth months will be critical.
>
> If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
> are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago.

And your expertise in strategic and/or operational war-planning is
based on what experience?

Tom Kunich

"Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9da6b02a-ad1a-4d65-aa91-37121a01f570@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 1, 8:50 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >
> > If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
> > are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago.
>
> And your expertise in strategic and/or operational war-planning is
> based on what experience?

He was an officer. What about you?

Bret

On May 1, 2:22*pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Scott" <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9da6b02a-ad1a-4d65-aa91-37121a01f570@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 8:50 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
> > > are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago..
>
> > And your expertise in strategic and/or operational war-planning is
> > based on what experience?
>
> He was an officer. What about you?

Scott was an army officer. Peter was a pilot.

Bret

Kurgan Gringioni

On May 1, 10:38*am, "Paul G." <carb...@egine.com> wrote:
> On May 1, 8:19 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 1, 7:50 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > > On May 1, 4:18 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:11:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Chung
>
> > > > <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/temp/1may08.png
>
> > > > Well, it looks like the rate of death is tapering off, which is
> > > > evidence the surge is working. We should respect the judgement of the
> > > > commanders on the ground. *The next sixth months will be critical.
>
> > > If the potential commanders on the ground had been listened to(if we
> > > are going in, go big), this mess would have been over with 5 years ago..
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > Not if they were going to de-Baathify the country. Sending in more
> > troops would not have solved the long term problem of the power vacuum
> > created by removing the government.
>
> > The only way to get it over w/ fast would've been to depose Saddam,
> > leave the power structure in place and appoint a more transparent head
> > of state.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
>
> Dumbass - I think George Bush said it best:
> "Why We Didn't Remove Saddam"
>
> George Bush [Sr.] and Brent Scowcroft
>
> Time (2 March 1998)
>
> "While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam,
> neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the
> breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term
> balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam,
> extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have
> violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream,
> engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable
> human and political costs... We would have been forced to occupy
> Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have
> collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling
> out as well... Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could
> conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It
> would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--
> outcome."



Dumbass -


Oh, I agree that the actions taken by Bush Sr. and his successor B.
Clinton were preferable.

But, if you do make the decision to take out a head of state, there is
a way to do it and they did it the wrong way.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.