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10-06.-2008, 04:54 PM
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Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
Just wondering if the trolls still think that "the law is the law"
should eclipse common sense when the accused is a public transport user, rather than an evil motorist. http://tinylink.com/?n837Wd49Vf Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up Robert Mendick, Chief Reporter 06.05.08 The secretary of a London archbishop is being dragged through the courts - for mistakenly falling 20p short on a bendy bus. Rachel McKenzie, a committed Christian, has told the Evening Standard of her despair at being branded a criminal for the first time at the age of 54. If convicted, she will be given a criminal record and ordered to pay legal costs and a fine of up to £1,000. One lawyer suggested the case could cost taxpayers up to £5,000. Ms McKenzie was caught out last November as she boarded a No12 bendy bus from her home in East Dulwich to her workplace in Southwark. She swiped her Oyster card through the reader and, unaware that the machine had beeped because she had insufficient funds, she took her seat. But two stops before the end of a journey a ticket inspector got on, checked her Oyster card and discovered she had just 70p on it - rather than the 90p then needed for the journey. Mrs McKenzie, who works for the Catholic archbishop of Southwark, told the Standard: "He told me I was 20p short. I was really surprised. I told him it was an innocent mistake, that I had swiped the card next to the driver and he hadn't said anything and that I would pay the difference. "I reached to get out my purse but he said I couldn't do that and that he had to report me. I thought that would be okay because I'll get the chance to explain it was just a mistake. I never thought it would end up with a criminal prosecution. "It makes me think it is a ridiculous abuse of the legal system. I made a genuine mistake and was honest about it because I was sure the British legal system was a just one. I wonder about that now." Ms McKenzie has enlisted the help of lawyers who are fighting her case free. But Transport for London has refused to cave in and she has now received a summons to appear before Sutton magistrates on 22 May. Her legal adviser, Mark Stephens, said: "It is disgraceful. This prosecution is likely to cost as much as £5,000 to recover 20p. This is a scandalous abuse of the court system. She should have been allowed to pay the difference or, at worst, pay a penalty fare." He added that a criminal conviction could prevent MsMcKenzie working in the community in future or make it difficult to obtain a visa to travel to America. TfL's legal department wrote to Ms McKenzie last week saying: "Consistent with all cashless services, it is your responsibility to ensure you have sufficient credit in your card to pay for your bus journey." The TfL enforcement policy says it seeks to be "firm but fair" and aims to ensure prosecution is only considered where there is clear evidence of irregular travel. It also says it will prosecute if the offence occurred "in an area known to occasion high revenue loss". Last night, TfL said: "Fare evasion is illegal. Fare dodgers cost passengers using public transport millions of pounds every year." Last year, more than 47,215 people received a £20 penalty fare and more than 30,000 were prosecuted. The case comes after a University of East London student was given a criminal record for travelling one stop on a bus without a valid ticket. Ashley Williams, 20, said her Oyster card beeped at her, but the No38 left the stop in Hackney before she could alight. She was taken to Stratford magistrates' court last September. |
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10-06.-2008, 09:02 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:54:23 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar
<derderderder619@hotmail.com> wrote: >Just wondering if the trolls still think that "the law is the law" >should eclipse common sense when the accused is a public transport >user, rather than an evil motorist. > >http://tinylink.com/?n837Wd49Vf 70p instead of 90p. It sounds the equivalent of driving at 90mph instead of 70mph. I wonder how many drivers at 90mph in a 70 zone face a £1000 fine and a criminal conviction which means something to employers. It sounds like the law for speeding motorists needs to be tightened up, with a fixed penalty of £1,000. |
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10-06.-2008, 09:20 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
In news:92rs441336j1960cf5npodd5cdd19oq70f@4ax.com,
Tom Crispin <kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:54:23 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar > <derderderder619@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Just wondering if the trolls still think that "the law is the law" >> should eclipse common sense when the accused is a public transport >> user, rather than an evil motorist. >> >> http://tinylink.com/?n837Wd49Vf > > 70p instead of 90p. It sounds the equivalent of driving at 90mph > instead of 70mph. > > I wonder how many drivers at 90mph in a 70 zone face a £1000 fine and > a criminal conviction which means something to employers. > > It sounds like the law for speeding motorists needs to be tightened > up, with a fixed penalty of £1,000. " Sorry, this Tinylink is not valid; please check again" So, well up to Nuxxy-wuxxy's usual standards of "evidence", then. -- Dave Larrington <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk> Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages. |
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10-06.-2008, 10:14 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Jun 10, 1:02*pm, Tom Crispin
<kije.rem...@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:54:23 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar > > <derderderder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Just wondering if the trolls still think that "the law is the law" > >should eclipse common sense when the accused is a public transport > >user, rather than an evil motorist. > > >http://tinylink.com/?n837Wd49Vf > > 70p instead of 90p. *It sounds the equivalent of driving at 90mph > instead of 70mph. > > I wonder how many drivers at 90mph in a 70 zone face a £1000 fine and > a criminal conviction which means something to employers. > > It sounds like the law for speeding motorists needs to be tightened > up, with a fixed penalty of £1,000. All about numbers with you trolls isn't it? Amazing how simplistic you are. I suppose you also think the punishment should be the same for someone who's 90/70 times the legal drink-drive limit? What if a completely arbitrary limit for something was written into law...would you support an equal punishment for exceeding that by the same margin? Can't you see how ridiculous you're being? Someone tries to argue that the current obsession with speeding is justified, and inevitably they start coming out with utter rubbish like Tom Crispin's spiel above. It's just one consequence of taking an illogical position on something. Sad really. |
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10-06.-2008, 10:19 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Jun 10, 1:20*pm, "Dave Larrington" <smert.spamio...@privacy.net>
wrote: > Innews:92rs441336j1960cf5npodd5cdd19oq70f@4ax.com, > Tom Crispin <kije.rem...@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> tweaked the > Babbage-Engine to tell us: > > > > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:54:23 -0700 (PDT), Nuxx Bar > > <derderderder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Just wondering if the trolls still think that "the law is the law" > >> should eclipse common sense when the accused is a public transport > >> user, rather than an evil motorist. > > >>http://tinylink.com/?n837Wd49Vf > > > 70p instead of 90p. *It sounds the equivalent of driving at 90mph > > instead of 70mph. > > > I wonder how many drivers at 90mph in a 70 zone face a £1000 fine and > > a criminal conviction which means something to employers. > > > It sounds like the law for speeding motorists needs to be tightened > > up, with a fixed penalty of £1,000. > > " Sorry, this Tinylink is not valid; please check again" > > So, well up to Nuxxy-wuxxy's usual standards of "evidence", then. You're right, I actually made up the whole article, so it's a good job you checked. (I created that link in exactly the same way as the hundreds of other Tinylinks I've created, so I don't know why it doesn't work. Only a nitpicking troll would care enough to make a negative comment on it. Anyway, if you're that bothered about being paranoid and verifying the original article's content, then I'm sure it's not beyond you to find it. Bloody trolls...anything to distract from the real debate, eh?) |
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10-06.-2008, 11:30 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:19:16 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be Nuxx Bar
<derderderder619@hotmail.com> wrote this:- >(I created that link in exactly the same way as the hundreds of other >Tinylinks I've created, so I don't know why it doesn't work. Is it really so difficult to cut and paste the actual link? <http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23481793-details/Archbishop's+PA+branded+a+fare+dodger+for+20p+bus+fare+slip-up/article.do> I suspect not. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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10-06.-2008, 11:31 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
"You're right, I actually made up the whole article, so it's a good
job you checked. " Like you made up that crap about me causing a building to be evacuated? Name the building and whatever I'm sposed to have done, or print this page off, roll the paper into a tube, stick it up your fat arse and repeat: "EVERY TIME I TELL A LIE A FAIRY DIES" |
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10-06.-2008, 11:56 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
David Hansen wrote:
> Is it really so difficult to cut and paste the actual link? If you're a moron, probably yes... Ah. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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11-06.-2008, 04:58 AM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
Peter Clinch wrote: > David Hansen wrote: > >> Is it really so difficult to cut and paste the actual link? > > If you're a moron, probably yes... > Ah. Nuxxbar could not even be bothered to finish the story he started. TfL have dropped the case. 0/10 again for trolling. |
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11-06.-2008, 04:58 AM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Jun 10, 3:31*pm, spindrift <newty...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "You're right, I actually made up the whole article, so it's a good > job > you checked. " > > Like you made up that crap about me causing a building to be > evacuated? > > Name the building and whatever I'm sposed to have done, or print this > page off, roll the paper into a tube, stick it up your fat arse and > repeat: > > "EVERY TIME I TELL A LIE A FAIRY DIES" You're a psycho. Even your fellow trolls know it. You know exactly what you did, and since you obviously believed in your twisted little mind that it was the right thing to do (c.f. suicide bombers), the least you can do now is to be a man and admit that you did it. Or are you afraid of the consequences? And if you believe the last sentence that you wrote, you must be responsible for more fairy deaths than most. "I'm not anti-motorist" is just one strand in the web of lies that you've spun over the years. If you were campaigning for what was right, you wouldn't keep feeling the need to lie. Don't thoughts like that ever occur to you? |
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11-06.-2008, 05:51 AM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:24:23 +0100, Martin <martin.dann@virgin.net>
wrote: >> Don't read or reply to my threads then. > >You don't own threads in a public newsgroup. Neither do people own their message written in a condolence book. |
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11-06.-2008, 05:08 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:58:01 +0100 someone who may be Martin
<martin.dann@virgin.net> wrote this:- >TfL have dropped the case. Though if they had any brains they would not have started the case. They only dropped it because of the publicity, they appear not to have learnt anything (other than perhaps trying to frighten people even more so they don't even try to get publicity). Note that they were using threatening words and behaviour on the woman right up to the moment that the publicity started. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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11-06.-2008, 07:14 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
Nuxx Bar wrote:
> Just wondering if the trolls still think that "the law is the law" > should eclipse common sense when the accused is a public transport > user, rather than an evil motorist. > Well Nuxx I knew there was a reason I liked you. You've actually hit on one of the reasons I ride a bike. On public transport you are at the whim of a completely messed up system. Anyone who has travelled on these buses knows that it is not always possible to know how much you have on the card or recognise when it has been rejected. |
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12-06.-2008, 06:36 PM
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Re: Archbishop's PA branded a fare dodger for 20p bus fare slip-up
You may something in common with Eddie Izzard, previously known as the “twenty pence kid”. He forgot to pay at Eastbourne station and was nabbed by the rozzers, offered to pay but ended up with criminal record. He was also done for resisting arrest as one rozzer pulled him one way and another pulled him the other way.
Check his act out it’s really funny Quote:
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