Looking for CERA : retrotesting of last Giro and Vuelta !

poulidor

UCI is considering to try to catch the users of CERA on last Giro and Vuelta!

From http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4559#ancre1
http://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/story_sto1722170.shtml


http://www.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/story_sto1722170.shtml

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kennf

Testing the Giro samples would be huge. We know Ricco would get popped yet again. Not so sure on the Vuelta, since the detectability of CERA was known by the riders. But then again, riders still get busted for testosterone, so who knows.

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mrfrogger

Hopefully they'll do it. Will Alberto be brought down? Surely a few others in this top ten might topple:

Alberto Contador
Riccardo Riccò *
Marzio Bruseghin
Franco Pellizotti
Denis Menchov
Emanuele Sella *
Jurgen Van Den Broeck
Danilo Di Luca
Domenico Pozzovivo
Gilberto Simoni

whiteboytrash

Too late. Bruyneel has already put the call through and made a payment:

Unlike the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia organizers will not re-test riders' samples from this spring's Giro d'Italia for the Continuous Erythropoiesis Receptor Activator (CERA) version of EPO.

"The Giro d'Italia has already made the necessary checks," said race director Angelo Zomegnan to the Apcom news agency on Thursday. "The labs and the UCI have told us these tests were done and nothing was found that could be taken as suspect. It's useless to ask for more (tests)."

Saunier Duval's Riccardo Ricco and his teammate Leonardo Piepoli tested positive for CERA at this summer's Tour de France. At the Giro, Ricco won two stages and finished second in the general classification. He has already been suspended by the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) for a period of two years.

Zomegnan said the tests for CERA began during the Giro due to a partnership between a CONI anti-doping lab in Rome and the French Chatenay-Malabry lab near Paris. "To me, it seems excessive to ask for more," Zomegnan said.

wicklow200

Somethings completely fkd up here.

Ricco was using CERA everyday at the tour acording to himself.

Ipso facto he was using it at the Giro, in order to finish on the podium. Yet these muppets claim they tested for CERA at the Giro, but didnt catch Ricco?!!!!

This is so illogical and yet nobody is pulling them up on this. OK they could be trying to brush this away, but this is so blatant. Why the hell doesnt someone challenge them?

limerickman

It does suggest that something is out of kilter as you say.
RCS need to get a handle on sort of tests were done at their race (Giro) and if there is a coverup.

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morelike hypocrisy.

whiteboytrash

They can't have Contador testing positive thou. There would way too much impact to cycling. If Astana was blown to pieces 3 months before Lance's comeback it would destroy cycling for good. The UCI will let this one slide.

wicklow200

Yeah I know, but it still shouldnt be let slide

I mean, the burning question for journalists, CONI, WADA and whoever, is why wasnt CERA detected in Riccos samples.

Were the tests conducted at all/properly? did someone manipulate the results, and if yes who?

And if the tests were done properly and results not manipulated, then what on earth prevented Ricco coming up positive?

I know pro cycling is a sham, and more so in Italy and Spain, but dont understand why someone prominent isnt asking these simple questions.

On a similar note, very glad to hear Sebastian Lang providing some believable anecdotes about Schumacher's behaviour during the tour. The more light that pours in. And very glad SS was busted.

Lets be honest, Schumachers performance at the tour was surprisingly good relative to what Ive seen before from him. Others that fall into that category were, at times, Voigt, Cancellera, Schleck snr, and Vandevelde. Add your own here...

matagi

That sounds a bit odd - CERA has a longer half-life than EPO so you would use it less frequently rather than more frequently. Once a month is the usual dose.

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limerickman

That is a good observation and adds to the subject matter.
(especially for the likes of me, who have no idea of "recommended" dosage requirements for CERA).

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morelike hypocrisy.

limerickman

Funny enough, I re-watched some footage from the 2001 TDF last night.
Stage 7 Strasbourg - Colmar, won by Laurent Jalabert with Jens finishing second riding for CA.
Voigt is a pretty consistent rider.

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morelike hypocrisy.

frost

Also won Tour of Deutchland 2005-2006, worn a KOM shirt in 1998 TdF, etc, etc. Whatever is his method and juices, I still not see his performance in this years TdF particularly suspicious.

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limerickman

It has been suggested here that Voigts 2008 TDF performance was somehow
much better than in previous years.
I disagree with that view - because his turns at the front, this year, were no different to the turns he put in during the TDF, and many other races, over the last decade or so.

It is worth recalling that at the 2004 TDF he practically blew the field apart on several key stages.
Look at the turn, he did during the 2006 TDF when he beat Oscar Pereiro (who was in yellow) to the stage win at Béziers/Montélimar.

Granted Voigt does the grunt work for CSC - but he did the same when he was CA.

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.."But finally the last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics. I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. [I]I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles. You should believe in these athletes, and you should believe in these people. I'll be a fan of the Tour de France for as long as I live. And there are no secrets" - this is a hard sporting event and hard work wins it - Armstrong 2005 TDF
morelike hypocrisy.

Leafer

And the Giro organizers aren't dumb. They've seen what happens to the Tour when there are multiple positives, especially among the top GC riders, not to mention should the overall winner pop a positive. Best not to risk all that negative attention.