Alternative to Avid Shorty Ultimate cartridge holder?

[scottz123]

I need cartridge holder for Ultimate. LIKE pair on left / NOT on right of pic. Looking for more cost iffective price. http://www.sram.com/avid/products/rim-brake-pads They need to be like this http://www.sram.com/avid/products/shorty-ultimate-rim-brake so I can put arms up into 'narrow positon' I cannot put brake arms into 'narrow position' with kool stop CX brake holders that I have http://www.koolstop.com/english/crosspad.html Has anyone actually used alternative holder from Kool Stop for example? http://www.koolstop.com/english/rim_pads.html

 

[alfeng]

FIRST. You do NOT need to use the orbital adjusters which are on the posts of the MTB pad's holders if you do not want to use them .... SECOND. You can adjust the length of the straddle cable to adjust the clearance between the pads & the rim's braking surface.

Adjust the brake cable, if-or-as needed.​

THIRD. You always have the option of simply installing a set of ROAD pads/holders on your Cantilever brake calipers.

 

[scottz123]

Thanks. The nut on cx pad interfering w/brake arms in "narrow" position. What are differences bETWeen road pads & cx pads? What Differences in cartridge holder? I appreciate your input

 

[alfeng]

Oh, my bad ... I didn't understand the immediate problem which you were having because I didn't bother to look at the type of holder which the Kool Stop "Cross" pads came with ... With a better understanding of the problem, I reckon that you just need to replace the BOLTS with ones which are not domed ... The easiest (why not?) option would be to cannibalize the bolts which came on the holders of the original pads which (presumably) came with the calipers OR from almost any recent Road brake caliper pad[COLOR=FF00AA]/[/COLOR]holder to use with your Kool Stop Cross holders ...

Of course, you should be able to buy METRIC threaded bolts at your LBS ... Plus, many automotive supply stores ... Plus, you can buy METRIC threaded bolts at places like HOME DEPOT ... I do not know if they have bolts with low-profile heads ... the only ones which I have bought (because it's what I was looking for) from a non-LBS will have the type of Hex Head found on water bottle cage bolts ... swap them out for the ones which you "borrow" from a Road[COLOR=FF00AA]/[/COLOR]other caliper.​

BTW. I cannot say with any certainty what Kool Stop is using for their brake pad material ...

... AT ONE TIME, the "orange" color indicated a sintered rubber compound (akin the difference between an "ink" eraser vs.. regular pencil eraser) ... In theory, pads with the sintered compound will allow the rider to slow-and-stop the bike more quickly in adverse (wet) conditions but the trade off is that they will wear down the rim's brake surface faster than pads with an all-rubber compound.​

I do NOT believe that there is a functional difference between Kool Stops CX pads & their Road pads ...

In the past, it was my belief that that the size of the pad's contact surface could make a difference, but I have read others suggest otherwise -- I guess that you can-or-must decide whether-or-not (or, how much) that might matter for the type of riding you are doing AND whether the pads which you have work well, or not ... That is, AFTER accounting for the different amount of "sintered" compound & plain rubber compound, the difference in the holder-and-pad (beyond possible patents & royalties) may not be unlike the difference between different colors of the same brand of 'kleenix' tissue to satisfy the customer's whim ...​

That is, to some extent the difference in the various holders & pads may be more cosmetic than meaningful ... And, when in doubt, I would opt for whatever is designated for Shimano Road calipers because replacement pads will be universally available.

 

[scottz123]

Thanks, again greatly appreciated.

That is the problem, they are nuts, not bolts that are interfering with arm to 'narrow' position (top of pic) . Studs are coming out of Kool Stop cartridge holder. I tried hex nut, but still to tight to arm alternatives are going oem http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avid-Shorty-Ultimate-Cross-Brake-Pad-and-Cartridge-Holder-/271254181029?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f280254a5 or as you suggested Shimano road, If i go shimano road route, will I still be able to toe in?

Hate to be a pain, but could your shoot me a link to a shimano road you have in mind?

 

[scottz123]

alfeng

Were you referring to something like this?

http://www.koolstop.com/english/road_pad.html

 

[alfeng]

Originally Posted by scottz123

Were you referring to something like this?

http://www.koolstop.com/english/road_pad.html

Yes ...

Also, if you don't need the pads for this weekend and/or you decide that you don't want sintered pads, then here are some aftermarket holders & pads which are available on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Light-Road-Bike-Brake-Shoes-for-Shimano-105-Ultegra-Dura-Ace-Red-black-pads-/161046341454?pt=US_Brakes&hash=item257f1c274e

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBE-Shimano-Dura-Ace-BR7700-Titanium-Ef-Road-Brake-Pads-/200728666580?pt=US_Brakes&hash=item2ebc5c61d43

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Those are only two of MANY, many options which are available ... you can, of course, pay more (!?!) if you want to ...

Of course, you don't have to buy them via an eBay listing.

FYI. From what I can discern, the "real" Shimano & Campagnolo holders are not any better from a set of I-forget-the-brand of aftermarket holders-and-pads which I bought a few years ago ... there may be no difference in finish other than the color OR it is always possible that I may not have looked as closely as some others might.

BTW. I think that the type of pad which slides into the holder from the "back" end are marginally better because they are a little more secure in the holder AND the pads can be swapped out more easily ...

I also think that Shimano's pad design is better (as in, easier to remove-and-replace) because the Campagnolo pads are REALLY snug in their holders (they don't use a bolt to secure them) ...

The second set shown are probably listed as 7700 pads (i.e., a 9-speed brake model), but that description must really description of the cosmetic finish being the same as the 7700 holders because I am pretty sure that all of the 9-speed Shimano calipers were similar to the "red" set in the first picture & that the 8-speed calipers had holders & pads which were like the holders in the second picture.

It has been suggested by others that Shimano's Dura Ace & Ultegra pads are better than others. Obviously, Shimano's "black" pads are designed for plain aluminum braking surfaces AND if you have some special needs, then you can substitute the different compound in the holder.