America.....Views from the Road.



Two more days of doing nothing at home, then 10 more weeks of hitting the roads.

This job has changed me, and maybe not for the better. But I have at least identified the changes in me. I have always had a intolence of stupidity in humans, but I never allowed it to show. I do not have the time nor patience anymore for stupid people. I am not talking of the uneducated individual who cannot help it because of lack of oppurtunities in life due to many circumstances. But I see it on a regular basis in situations from people that know better.
One thing that has hit home to me is this......... We are taught that stereotypes are not true............ I disagree. Maybe not on a individual basis, but as a whole, they generally are. I realize that when meeting a individual it is wrong to stereotype him, but generally when dealing with a group, it is a much faster way to get something done. And stereotypes are usually accurate when approching a group.
Which leads me to this........... I believe political correctness is hurting this country. People are being scammed in this country in their effort to be politically correct. One major area I am familiar with is the food industry. I can say this with some accurracy...... Your local health food store is ripping you off. I don't think the owners of the small stores are doing it on purpose, but they are selling many goods that are not what they are said to be. Unless the food goods are local grown, they may not be what they say they are.
I don't care what the store tells you about the growing policies, the freshness, the lack of chemicals....... They are just passing on info they want to believe themselves that they are told by the growers.

Coffeeeeeeeee beans....... I know this......If you truly want fresh beans , buy from a large mega store. I have seen tons of beans sit on the docks that will not hit your local beanery way past the time they should have. I don't know if freshness is important in coffee beans, but if it is, I doubt if your local coffee shop has beans that are real fresh. So....... Think about it when you are paying $4.00 for a cup that costs about $.25 at the most.

If you are really a person that cares for the human working conditions in this country, buy your veggies, fruit and meat from a local grower. I realize this is not always possible, but most smaller health food stores do have local suppliers. The scamming companies are usually the ones that have the shiny brochure talking about how they are so politically correct in everything they do.
The food industry in this country is one step away from human slavery. And it's happening in your neighborhood. The state I am most familiar with is that allows this form of human slavery is Colorado. While the people in Boulder are running around talking of world wide working conditions that are wrong, right in their backyard is a third world nation quietly producing food for the masses. When you think of the great riding conditions in Fort Collins and Boulder, remember just a few miles east of you people from third world nations are working in bad conditions producing food that wants to make you puke. Not a few indidividuals, but thousands. Most people living there have no idea what a shithole that part of Colorado is. But then it is easier to sit around the coffee shops on Saturday to discuss the bad conditions in other places.
I will not eat chicken again unless I personally knew the bird.

Time to go drink some more beer before I get too liberal.
 
wolfix said:
...Time to go drink some more beer before I get too liberal.
I'm laughing my ass off about this. I used to be a far right wing libertarian (small L) and gradually changed.

I know you were not too keen about national healthcare. I just pulled this off of americablog. It's about an american who needed a chest X-Ray in France. It says a lot about how farked up the U.S.'s system is.

I've had this killer flu for three and a half weeks now, and it's still lingering as a persistent cough, so I figured I'd go see the doctor in Chris' building. She said, yep, you've got the flu that everyone else has, and you might have a chest infection. Her prescription? Get an X-Ray. Ugh. An X-Ray. Does my insurance cover it? If so, how much? So, I paid the whopping 22 Euro (33 bucks) bill to the doctor, in cash (she paid me my change out of her purse), and called Blue Cross to see if they cover me while I'm abroad. After a good 20 minute phone call, I found out that if my French X-Ray center isn't "in network" then I have to pay a $300 deductible and 70% of the cost. At this point, I figured I'd better find out how much this X-Ray is going to cost, since for $300, I'd rather just have the doc dope me up on antibiotics and screw the X-Ray. The doc warned me that X-Rays are much more expensive than doctor visits. So I just called the X-Ray people and asked how much a chest X-Ray costs. Are you ready? 45 Euros. That's 67 bucks or so (and it would be only 45 bucks if the exchange rate weren't so out of whack). I just looked online and found that chest X-Rays go for around 200 dollars in the states. Amazing. So I'm going to suck it up and pay my 67 dollars for the X-Ray out of my own pocket. Tell me again how European "socialized medicine" is so bad?

Okay, just got back from the doctor (the x-ray was fine). I scheduled my appointment a few hours in advance, it was for 3:30pm (or 15h30 as they say here), and they took me at 3:33pm. I was out of there in 15 minutes, and that included seeing a doctor afterwards to explain what the x-ray said (and I then promptly left my x-ray in the check out line at the grocery - someone's in for a surprise with their creme brule!) Bottom line: Still not seeing what's so bad with the health care system over here.

We miss you in the pro racing forum...
 
Bro Deal said:
I'm laughing my ass off about this. I used to be a far right wing libertarian (small L) and gradually changed.

I know you were not too keen about national healthcare. I just pulled this off of americablog. It's about an american who needed a chest X-Ray in France. It says a lot about how farked up the U.S.'s system is.

I've had this killer flu for three and a half weeks now, and it's still lingering as a persistent cough, so I figured I'd go see the doctor in Chris' building. She said, yep, you've got the flu that everyone else has, and you might have a chest infection. Her prescription? Get an X-Ray. Ugh. An X-Ray. Does my insurance cover it? If so, how much? So, I paid the whopping 22 Euro (33 bucks) bill to the doctor, in cash (she paid me my change out of her purse), and called Blue Cross to see if they cover me while I'm abroad. After a good 20 minute phone call, I found out that if my French X-Ray center isn't "in network" then I have to pay a $300 deductible and 70% of the cost. At this point, I figured I'd better find out how much this X-Ray is going to cost, since for $300, I'd rather just have the doc dope me up on antibiotics and screw the X-Ray. The doc warned me that X-Rays are much more expensive than doctor visits. So I just called the X-Ray people and asked how much a chest X-Ray costs. Are you ready? 45 Euros. That's 67 bucks or so (and it would be only 45 bucks if the exchange rate weren't so out of whack). I just looked online and found that chest X-Rays go for around 200 dollars in the states. Amazing. So I'm going to suck it up and pay my 67 dollars for the X-Ray out of my own pocket. Tell me again how European "socialized medicine" is so bad?

Okay, just got back from the doctor (the x-ray was fine). I scheduled my appointment a few hours in advance, it was for 3:30pm (or 15h30 as they say here), and they took me at 3:33pm. I was out of there in 15 minutes, and that included seeing a doctor afterwards to explain what the x-ray said (and I then promptly left my x-ray in the check out line at the grocery - someone's in for a surprise with their creme brule!) Bottom line: Still not seeing what's so bad with the health care system over here.

We miss you in the pro racing forum...
I'm totally confused on how to handle th national health care system.....In this country, everyone should be covered. That goes without thinking too much. But my fear is having government touch anything.I have no confidence in government. I see it as inefficient and incapable of doing things correctly. I also fear the burden that health care would put on beginning businesses. And we need the beginning businesses to create jobs to employ us. Health care would impose many burdens on small business, and that gives corporations more strenghth. And too much corporate power is not good capitolism.

It's a issue without any answers for me.Before we head off into a national system, maybe we need to look as to why the system is so expensive. My thoughts say litigation lawyers chasing deep pockets.

I had the flu also. I actually bruised a rib from coughing so hard. 3-4 weeks of hell. I still have a small cough. But I was stuck driving, which was difficult at times.
Gotta go drink more beer.
 
This whole healthcare debate was hashed out last year in that "Armstrong for President" thread, so I don't want to rehash the whole debate, but the big problem with the American system IMHO is that both the insurance companies and the providers have a vested interest in inflating healthcare costs. This practice of insurance companies only giving a percentage of the claim back to the provider should stop. If there is an absolute maximum for a particular service, let that be stated, but most providers are overcharging based on only getting, for instance, 50% back from the insurance company. This means that if someone wants to pay cash for the same service, they have to pay the "inflated" figure that not even the insurance companies pay. Which gives people more incentive to be covered, hence the insurance companies win. And the provider's win. And those people insured on corporate plans win. But those who aren't covered lose big time. It's a weakness of the system, coupled together with the fact that once you are insured for health, there is every encouragement then to get the "X-rays" that are nearly free on insurance, but that you wouldn't probably bother with if you were not insured.
 
TheDarkLord said:
At least the American health system is not as f'ed up as the British one. You know you have serious problems when people resort to removing their teeth with pliers. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7045143.stm, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3696758.stm
It's good that you bring up some negative story about the British NHS. I have British friends who, before the current groupthink in America of late that a national healthcare system like Canada's, Britain's or even Cuba's is great, complained that the public "free" healthcare often meant that you went on a long waiting list for anything more than minor treatrment, and most people who could afford it, went private in any case. The NHS end product was often not that great as well (hearsay again).

Since this has become a big political issue, and since Michael Moore's (of whom I don't have a personal opinion either way) movie, you'd think that government healthcare meant free great healthcare for everybody for no expense.

IMHO, instead of an NHS, the current system needs to be tweaked to take out the self-reinforcing weaknesses, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Of course the whole healthcare industry is against what "needs" to be done IMO because they benefit from the status quo.

Same problem exists in America with the legal system and tort reform as well as Specialists (guys who provide liquidity) on the floor of the NYSE. The powers-that-be have a vested interest in a flawed, innefficient (and lucrative to them) system.
 
That's precisely why I get on my soapbox over immigration. The NHS is in trouble because they're treating both illegal and legal immigrants but in huge numbers. So, those who may have paid taxes all their life wind up stuck at the back of a queue in some cases. There are too many people using the NHS and basically our population is set to go up to close to 70 million. The sad reality is you can't accommodate the whole globe. There needs to be some international charity organisation set up to treat refugees funded by all European countries, as opposed to the current chaos.
I agree health care in the U.S. is said to be quite good, although it's costly.

Crankyfeet said:
It's good that you bring up some negative story about the British NHS. I have British friends who, before the current groupthink in America of late that a national healthcare system like Canada's, Britain's or even Cuba's is great, complained that the public "free" healthcare often meant that you went on a long waiting list for anything more than minor treatrment, and most people who could afford it, went private in any case. The NHS end product was often not that great as well (hearsay again).

Since this has become a big political issue, and since Michael Moore's (of whom I don't have a personal opinion either way) movie, you'd think that government healthcare meant free great healthcare for everybody for no expense.

IMHO, instead of an NHS, the current system needs to be tweaked to take out the self-reinforcing weaknesses, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Of course the whole healthcare industry is against what "needs" to be done IMO because they benefit from the status quo.

Same problem exists in America with the legal system and tort reform as well as Specialists (guys who provide liquidity) on the floor of the NYSE. The powers-that-be have a vested interest in a flawed, innefficient (and lucrative to them) system.
 
Carrera said:
That's precisely why I get on my soapbox over immigration. The NHS is in trouble because they're treating both illegal and legal immigrants but in huge numbers...
Are you sure that's why the NHS is "in trouble", Carrera? Does that mean, if the NHS didn't treat illegal immigrants, it wouldn't be in trouble? Are you sure that you don't get on your soapbox because it makes you look taller?
 
limerickman said:
NHS is 60 years in existence, this year.
G'day, Lim.
I'm sure there are many who would hold that the NHS has done a mighty fine job over those 60 years of ensuring that health care is available to all. Judge a society by how it treats those at the bottom of the heap.
 
EoinC said:
G'day, Lim.
I'm sure there are many who would hold that the NHS has done a mighty fine job over those 60 years of ensuring that health care is available to all. Judge a society by how it treats those at the bottom of the heap.


G'day Eoin.

Newsnight (public affairs prog.) on the BBC have been doing a series of features on the NHS.
Founded by Minister for Health, Bevan, in 1948, NHS was created to bring affordable healthcare to every citizen in Britain.

The BBC's feature interviewed people who had received treatment under NHS, the doctors/nurses who work in the NHS and the administrators who operate the NHS.
Billions has been spent on the NHS - some of it beneficial, some of it wasteful.
But overall the opinions expressed were supportive of the retention of the NHS.

I agree with you.
Any society calling itself civilised has to take care of it's most vulnerable people, first and foremost.
i think the NHS fits that criteria.

Hope all is well where you are
 
I'm sitting in New Jersey at this moment. I have to sit here and wonder why does Jersey exist? This place is horrible. The thing is, the people here have to have a really low quality of life. And so my thoughts go this way ............ How does the enviroment we choose to live in control the quality of our lives?

Since I am relocating somewhere other then the area I now live in, this has been on my mind. So I have been trying to observe people. The thing that jumps out at me most often is that small town [rural] people seem to be far happier.At least in the sense they seem to take a more casual approch to life. The large city people seem to take more interest in their own personal lives, and are not so concerned with others.
Larger city people take the argument that they are exposed to far more culture and a progressive lifestyle. I may argue that. With the state of communictions such as the internet and cable TV, instant communication is always available to anyone. A argument I have with my daughter is that while larger cities have more "coffee shops", the small town people live the coffee shop lifestyle. Let me explain............. The purpose of the coffee shop is to find a moment in a hectic lifestyle to relax. But what if your day already is a relaxing one, and you don't have to pay $4.00 for a bad cup of coffee?

I know as I get older the slower paced life seems really desirable. Sitting out here knowing tomorrow at 4 in the morning I will have to go over the Geo Washington to beat the morning traffic just to get a few miles up the road seems so time consuming. Back home my budddies will be riding in the morning on rural roads before their 10 minute drive to work. They will sit at McDonalds for a half hour after a hour ride , then head home for a shower before heading to work. As I pass thru the Bronx, will I see anyone doing that?
What's it all about?
 
I thought I had found heaven yesterday...I was in the citrus country north of LA. Beautiful place.

I was thinking what a great place to ride...............Then I saw some cyclists coming.......... Followed by huge trucks........ The illusion was over. I decided that the views are not worth getting run over.

Then I went up to the coastal highway....... Parked my truck [legal ] and headed over to the other side of the road........ A CHP [California Highway Patrol] pulled up. threw me against his car and yelled "hands behind your head, interlock your fingers."
He proceeded to check me for weapons, threw me in the back of his car, and was calling me a idiot..............
He told me that he was going to fine me "more then I can afford."

He then released me w/o fine and told me to move on. [ Even though he did not talk to the other 5 trucks parked there.........]
My crime........"Standing too close to the road."

Californians............. When you use the word "Nazi's, facism, and kooks, you need to know that the majority of the them are your neighbors. The rest of America is far more stable.
 
wolfix said:
I thought I had found heaven yesterday...I was in the citrus country north of LA. Beautiful place.

I was thinking what a great place to ride...............Then I saw some cyclists coming.......... Followed by huge trucks........ The illusion was over. I decided that the views are not worth getting run over.

Then I went up to the coastal highway....... Parked my truck [legal ] and headed over to the other side of the road........ A CHP [California Highway Patrol] pulled up. threw me against his car and yelled "hands behind your head, interlock your fingers."
He proceeded to check me for weapons, threw me in the back of his car, and was calling me a idiot..............
He told me that he was going to fine me "more then I can afford."

He then released me w/o fine and told me to move on. [ Even though he did not talk to the other 5 trucks parked there.........]
My crime........"Standing too close to the road."

Californians............. When you use the word "Nazi's, facism, and kooks, you need to know that the majority of the them are your neighbors. The rest of America is far more stable.


Don't blame him, Viagra doesn't work for everyone I hear.
 
Hedge Funds wrecked America. It will be harder to buy steroids in the future.
 

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