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B. Lafferty wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Warren G wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
> >> > Warren G wrote:
> >> > > In a case like this, the substances one might admit to have used
> >> > > previously, and long enough prior to the questions, could make the
> >> > > possible answer(s) unimportant for that patient at that time. If the
> >> > > patient later asked for an (unimportant) answer(s) to be removed from
> >> > > the file, or not added to the file, it could be done.
> >> > >
> >> > > Perhaps some questions are not a matter of privacy if the other
> >> > > people
> >> > > in the room already know the answers.
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't want you as my doctor or lawyer.
> >> >
> >> > Long enough prior...? What, like a statue of limitations? We're
> >> > talking months, not years.
> >> >
> >> > "Oh, by the way doctor, could you please remove that comment I made
> >> > about EPO from my chart, the scanned copies, and the computer files
> >> > across all of the servers? Thanks."
> >> >
> >> > R
> >>
> >> When did you last take x? It was 3 months ago. Okay, then it is no
> >> longer relevant. Later that day, Since you said it's not relevant could
> >> you please not put anything about that in my file (it is my right,
> >> afterall)?
> >
> > Hayzeus frickin' keereist! Any more conditions you'd like to put on
> > this mythical conversation? Maybe the doctor was hard of hearing and
> > when Lance babbled that he liked Star Wars and C3P0 the doctor heard
> > EPO? How about the people in the room were a priest, a rabbi and a
> > druid? Traveling salesman and a farmer's daughter? Stop me if you've
> > heard this one.
> >
> > Lance treats people like they're plug and play replaceable - his life,
> > his call. Exactly how large of a circle do you believe such a person
> > would broadcast such sensitive information? Oh, right - I forgot that
> > Brian pointed out that Lance was probably drugged out of his mind...
>
> No. I never said he was drugged out of his mind. He was no doubt on a
> variety of med, some of which were probably for pain management. Frankly,
> if I were in his situation and the question were asked of me, I would answer
> truthfully as it would be in my best medical interest to do so.
[snip]
That I could see, having been in a comparible situation. I could even
see Lance
saying it'd be ok that the Andreus stay in the room, if he was asked.
But I think it would be highly unusual for a doctor to ask. More likely
he'd say something to the effect of "We need to talk. Please wait in
the waiting room. I'll get you when I'm done." If Lance thought the doc
was about to deliver a death sentence, he might say (cue the strings),
"Doc, I'd rather them stay."
OTOH, I could also see Lance asking them to leave if the questions got
too sensitive. "It's ok if they stay, doc." "Ok. Lance, have you ever
used and performance enhancers?" "...It'd probably be best if you guys
waited outside till I'm done talking to the doctor." Especially if
Frankie *didn't* know and Lance didn't have to put him in an awkward
position."
I could also see a doc taking a history 3 days post op. There is still
medical treatment going one, and it will managed by docs other than the
surgeon. A good doc will always get first hand info if he can, and if
it doesn't interfere with treatment, rather than rely on 2nd hand info,
even from another doc.
While docs may self-edit, I don't believe that he would leave *any*
drung use history out, no matter who old, whether or not it was
illicit. If a patient tells a doc he used this drug, vitamin, OTC
cream, it goes in the chart.
Of course, none of us know what Lance's state of mind was at the time,
what is relationship was with the Andreus (i.e. did Frankie already
know that Lance doped?), what his realtionship with the doc was (i.e.
what aspect of Lance's care he was responsible for) and so on. We don't
know how competent the doc was. Was the hospital a teaching hospital?
All of this and more, would be used for or against the testomony.
Without that, all we can do is speculate. In fact, almost any
evaluation of the probabliliy a given scenario, is also purely
speculative.
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Warren G wrote:
> >> RicodJour wrote:
> >> > Warren G wrote:
> >> > > In a case like this, the substances one might admit to have used
> >> > > previously, and long enough prior to the questions, could make the
> >> > > possible answer(s) unimportant for that patient at that time. If the
> >> > > patient later asked for an (unimportant) answer(s) to be removed from
> >> > > the file, or not added to the file, it could be done.
> >> > >
> >> > > Perhaps some questions are not a matter of privacy if the other
> >> > > people
> >> > > in the room already know the answers.
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't want you as my doctor or lawyer.
> >> >
> >> > Long enough prior...? What, like a statue of limitations? We're
> >> > talking months, not years.
> >> >
> >> > "Oh, by the way doctor, could you please remove that comment I made
> >> > about EPO from my chart, the scanned copies, and the computer files
> >> > across all of the servers? Thanks."
> >> >
> >> > R
> >>
> >> When did you last take x? It was 3 months ago. Okay, then it is no
> >> longer relevant. Later that day, Since you said it's not relevant could
> >> you please not put anything about that in my file (it is my right,
> >> afterall)?
> >
> > Hayzeus frickin' keereist! Any more conditions you'd like to put on
> > this mythical conversation? Maybe the doctor was hard of hearing and
> > when Lance babbled that he liked Star Wars and C3P0 the doctor heard
> > EPO? How about the people in the room were a priest, a rabbi and a
> > druid? Traveling salesman and a farmer's daughter? Stop me if you've
> > heard this one.
> >
> > Lance treats people like they're plug and play replaceable - his life,
> > his call. Exactly how large of a circle do you believe such a person
> > would broadcast such sensitive information? Oh, right - I forgot that
> > Brian pointed out that Lance was probably drugged out of his mind...
>
> No. I never said he was drugged out of his mind. He was no doubt on a
> variety of med, some of which were probably for pain management. Frankly,
> if I were in his situation and the question were asked of me, I would answer
> truthfully as it would be in my best medical interest to do so.
[snip]
That I could see, having been in a comparible situation. I could even
see Lance
saying it'd be ok that the Andreus stay in the room, if he was asked.
But I think it would be highly unusual for a doctor to ask. More likely
he'd say something to the effect of "We need to talk. Please wait in
the waiting room. I'll get you when I'm done." If Lance thought the doc
was about to deliver a death sentence, he might say (cue the strings),
"Doc, I'd rather them stay."
OTOH, I could also see Lance asking them to leave if the questions got
too sensitive. "It's ok if they stay, doc." "Ok. Lance, have you ever
used and performance enhancers?" "...It'd probably be best if you guys
waited outside till I'm done talking to the doctor." Especially if
Frankie *didn't* know and Lance didn't have to put him in an awkward
position."
I could also see a doc taking a history 3 days post op. There is still
medical treatment going one, and it will managed by docs other than the
surgeon. A good doc will always get first hand info if he can, and if
it doesn't interfere with treatment, rather than rely on 2nd hand info,
even from another doc.
While docs may self-edit, I don't believe that he would leave *any*
drung use history out, no matter who old, whether or not it was
illicit. If a patient tells a doc he used this drug, vitamin, OTC
cream, it goes in the chart.
Of course, none of us know what Lance's state of mind was at the time,
what is relationship was with the Andreus (i.e. did Frankie already
know that Lance doped?), what his realtionship with the doc was (i.e.
what aspect of Lance's care he was responsible for) and so on. We don't
know how competent the doc was. Was the hospital a teaching hospital?
All of this and more, would be used for or against the testomony.
Without that, all we can do is speculate. In fact, almost any
evaluation of the probabliliy a given scenario, is also purely
speculative.