Big wheels rule the un-faired class at Cherry Pie (or Bacchetta rules)



Hi John,

Excellent showing at the Cherry Pie, but I must object... "hired gun", what? Jamiel Danesh is a pro
racer, but not hired. He rode across the country on one of our bikes, he likes our bikes. He called
up a couple weeks before the race and asked if he could race one of our bikes in the recumbent race.
We hooked him up with a socked Ti-Rush. He finished a one hour Pro crit (his team placed 2nd I
think) five minutes before the recumbent race and he still finished 3rd. Be very afraid if we put
him in a real streamliner!

Sounds like you need to build your own streamliner John :)

Gabe

"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Sorry guys, you passed me once after the start. If you did not get the hired gun in the ti GR body
> sock you did not get me either.
>
> I did out climb the stream liners when I was with them on the hill.
>
> John
>
>
> [email protected] (dogboy) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Both Steve and I lapped everybody out there except the guy riding for Gardener on the Gold Rush
> > w/sock. I thought it was "interesting" that the unfaireds, including Bacchttas, couldn't climb
> > the hill any faster than the streamliners!
 
Steve is the man. Don't make him mad or he will make everyone look very bad next year! I truly hope
to have a streamliner ready for Jamiel next year to give Steve and Dean something to worry about : )
I think John and Zach have a secret longing for streamliners. It was a beautiful day and a great
race, I hope to do it again next year.

Gabe

"S. Delaire "Rotatorrecumbent"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The year I averaged 30 mph and lapped the field several times the other
riders got awfully pissy. I now keep an
> eye on the field and make certain to win by just enough to make it look
fair. Better for the friendships.
>
> This is now 7 wins for 9 times the race has run or 77% win ratio. Sorry guys, this was just a walk
> in the park. Speedy
>
>
>
>
> John wrote:
>
> > Sorry guys, you passed me once after the start. If you did not get the hired gun in the ti GR
> > body sock you did not get me either.
> >
> > I did out climb the stream liners when I was with them on the hill.
> >
> > John
> >
> > [email protected] (dogboy) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > > Both Steve and I lapped everybody out there except the guy riding for Gardener on the Gold
> > > Rush w/sock. I thought it was "interesting" that the unfaireds, including Bacchttas, couldn't
> > > climb the hill any faster than the streamliners!
>
>
>
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Steve, my computer at the end of the race showed 13.6 miles 23 mph
average with a time of 35:50.

Thanks for clearing up the time Rob English showed up for the race.

What bike were you riding when you average 30mph for the race?

As for next year we'll have to wait and see but I do hope I can come back out here. It is a good
break form winter in Kansas.

John


"S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> John No disrespect is taken. And I didn't mean to be either. Checked the speedo from the race bike
> this morning. Not to happy about the results. It does include the time pushing back to the trailer
> and into the shop: distance 13.88 miles average 22.5 max. 106.9 ( the computer is dreaming! ) time
> 37.06 average HR 139 If this true, then the last 2 years with my Pursuit was 3 mph faster. (same
> speedo for last 3 years)
>
> What was your #s?
>
> Every now and then I do run an unfaired, with decent results. Really like the power of a good
> streamliner more.
>
> Hope to see you next year. Speedy
>
>
> John wrote:
>
> > Steve, I meant no disrespect for you and after the race you said it was a just a walk in the
> > park. I'm a firm beleiver that an unfair rider does not have a chance of beating a streamliner
> > with a good rider or unless you were there the year Rob English showed up? If you were did Rob
> > really beat you?
> >
> > One of my goals at this race was not to get lapped. This time you let that happen and I'm sure
> > the next time your in a streamliner and I an unfaired bike you will not let that happen.
> >
> > What your doing with a streamliner in that type of race is just getting it closer to the day
> > that there is more streetable streamliners out there on the road. It will take some time but
> > what you guys are doing shows that it can happen.
> >
> > Now if you want to race unfaired bikes,,,,,,,,,......... let's see if it is a walk in the park.
> >
> > John
> >
> > "S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > The year I averaged 30 mph and lapped the field several times the other riders got awfully
> > > pissy. I now keep an eye on the field and make certain to win by just enough to make it look
> > > fair. Better for the friendships.
> > >
> > > This is now 7 wins for 9 times the race has run or 77% win ratio. Sorry guys, this was just a
> > > walk in the park. Speedy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry guys, you passed me once after the start. If you did not get the hired gun in the ti
> > > > GR body sock you did not get me either.
> > > >
> > > > I did out climb the stream liners when I was with them on the hill.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > [email protected] (dogboy) wrote in message
> > > > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > > Both Steve and I lapped everybody out there except the guy riding for Gardener on the Gold
> > > > > Rush w/sock. I thought it was "interesting" that the unfaireds, including Bacchttas,
> > > > > couldn't climb the hill any faster than the streamliners!
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[email protected] (John) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Dog boy, 50 vs 47, hard shell vs unfaired. A winter in KS of snow and ice or living in Ca where
> you can ride everyday.
>
> I'm going to let the racer come out in me and say let's go for a ride with you and me out of your
> shell or me in a shell and see what happens then the bragging can be on a level field.
>
> John

Well John, I've been waiting patiently for Dogboy to reply to your challenge. Looks like Dogboy's
'bark is worse than his bite'.

Emmett
 
Joao de Souza wrote:

> That's the one you've been racing on, right? I think that's the one that would sell well if you
> were ever to offer as an option.

That's the one which, every time /I/ see Steve racing it, seems to fly off into the brush ;-)
Must be me...

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Emmett M. Hood III wrote:

> Well John, I've been waiting patiently for Dogboy to reply to your challenge. Looks like Dogboy's
> 'bark is worse than his bite'.

I'm guessing Dogboy can't come out of his shell coz his streamliner is a semi-monocoque without a
complete bike inside. And if he were to remove the sidescreens it seems that it would qualify for
the very very stupid so-called "not fully-faired" class for this year's World's.

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Gabe, I spoke before I had all the facts. Gardner filled me in on Tuesday during my visit, which I
really enjoy stopping in and seeing the Easy Racer home. Of course Gardner does have the fastest
faired vehicle, I'm talking about that black I took a ride in.

It just looked like a hired gun deal when the rider walks away from the bike and does not have to
worry about the little details.

I have no plans of entering into the darkest of the dark side yet, (streamliners).

See you around.

John

"Gabriel DeVault" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> Hi John,
>
> Excellent showing at the Cherry Pie, but I must object... "hired gun", what? Jamiel Danesh is a
> pro racer, but not hired. He rode across the country on one of our bikes, he likes our bikes. He
> called up a couple weeks before the race and asked if he could race one of our bikes in the
> recumbent race. We hooked him up with a socked Ti-Rush. He finished a one hour Pro crit (his team
> placed 2nd I think) five minutes before the recumbent race and he still finished 3rd. Be very
> afraid if we put him in a real streamliner!
>
> Sounds like you need to build your own streamliner John :)
>
>
> Gabe
>
>
>
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > Sorry guys, you passed me once after the start. If you did not get the hired gun in the ti GR
> > body sock you did not get me either.
> >
> > I did out climb the stream liners when I was with them on the hill.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > [email protected] (dogboy) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > Both Steve and I lapped everybody out there except the guy riding for Gardener on the Gold
> > > Rush w/sock. I thought it was "interesting" that the unfaireds, including Bacchttas, couldn't
> > > climb the hill any faster than the streamliners!
 
"Gabriel DeVault" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Steve is the man. Don't make him mad or he will make everyone look very bad next year! I truly
> hope to have a streamliner ready for Jamiel next year to give Steve and Dean something to worry
> about : ) I think John and Zach have a secret longing for streamliners. It was a beautiful day and
> a great race, I hope to do it again next year.
>
> Gabe

I can't speak for John but in my case the longing is not so secret. Just do a search of the HPV list
archives at www.ihpva.org, particularly from 1994 to 1997 and you will see I've had a lot of
interest in streamliners. In fact in 1996 I raced the Cherry Pie on a Lightning R-84 with sailcloth
F-40 fairing and got second place overall right between Steve and Dean.

However I got tired of getting blown around by cross-winds and find it so much more relaxing to ride
unfaired bikes in the often gusty conditions on the mountain roads around here. Also on the really
hilly club rides and double centuries I do I have a higher overall average speed on my unfaired
Bacchetta Aero than I did on the F-40. On flat to moderately hilly rides (grades up to 5%) there is
no contest, the F-40 is faster but I find most of the very scenic, low traffic roads around here
have a much higher ratio of climbing per distance travelled and steeper climbs which do not favour a
streamliner, nor do the descents on these roads which put very high heat loads on the braking system
of a streamliner.

So when is Easy Racers going to come out with a lightweight streamliner that won't get blown off the
road when descending at speed in gusty conditions? I'm willing to get blown around a bit more than
with my bodysocked Gold Rush but looking back the F-40 was unacceptable in this department.

Zach Kaplan
 
Ah, come on John, build a streamliner, you know all the cool companies are
doing it :)

Seriously, if Rotator, Easy Racers and Bacchetta were to go at it in a streamliner series it could
really bring some interest back into the sport.

Just my 2 cents : )

Gabe

"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Gabe, I spoke before I had all the facts. Gardner filled me in on Tuesday during my visit, which I
> really enjoy stopping in and seeing the Easy Racer home. Of course Gardner does have the fastest
> faired vehicle, I'm talking about that black I took a ride in.
>
> It just looked like a hired gun deal when the rider walks away from the bike and does not have to
> worry about the little details.
>
> I have no plans of entering into the darkest of the dark side yet, (streamliners).
>
> See you around.
>
> John
>
>
>
> "Gabriel DeVault" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Excellent showing at the Cherry Pie, but I must object... "hired gun",
what?
> > Jamiel Danesh is a pro racer, but not hired. He rode across the country
on
> > one of our bikes, he likes our bikes. He called up a couple weeks before
the
> > race and asked if he could race one of our bikes in the recumbent race.
We
> > hooked him up with a socked Ti-Rush. He finished a one hour Pro crit
(his
> > team placed 2nd I think) five minutes before the recumbent race and he
still
> > finished 3rd. Be very afraid if we put him in a real streamliner!
> >
> > Sounds like you need to build your own streamliner John :)
> >
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> >
> > "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Sorry guys, you passed me once after the start. If you did not get the hired gun in the ti GR
> > > body sock you did not get me either.
> > >
> > > I did out climb the stream liners when I was with them on the hill.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > [email protected] (dogboy) wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > Both Steve and I lapped everybody out there except the guy riding
for
> > > > Gardener on the Gold Rush w/sock. I thought it was "interesting" that the unfaireds,
> > > > including Bacchttas, couldn't climb the hill any faster than the streamliners!
 
Zach, you could haul ass in a streamliner, you have the right body type to fit in a nice skinny
slick body, and you got muscles! Even a coroplast fairing on the Bachetta could have maybe put you
in contention for the lead. Congrats on your 2nd place!

Gabe

"Zach Kaplan Cycles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Gabriel DeVault" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Steve is the man. Don't make him mad or he will make everyone look very
bad
> > next year! I truly hope to have a streamliner ready for Jamiel next year
to
> > give Steve and Dean something to worry about : ) I think John and Zach
have
> > a secret longing for streamliners. It was a beautiful day and a great
race,
> > I hope to do it again next year.
> >
> > Gabe
>
> I can't speak for John but in my case the longing is not so secret. Just do a search of the HPV
> list archives at www.ihpva.org, particularly from 1994 to 1997 and you will see I've had a lot of
> interest in streamliners. In fact in 1996 I raced the Cherry Pie on a Lightning R-84 with
> sailcloth F-40 fairing and got second place overall right between Steve and Dean.
>
> However I got tired of getting blown around by cross-winds and find it so much more relaxing to
> ride unfaired bikes in the often gusty conditions on the mountain roads around here. Also on the
> really hilly club rides and double centuries I do I have a higher overall average speed on my
> unfaired Bacchetta Aero than I did on the F-40. On flat to moderately hilly rides (grades up to
> 5%) there is no contest, the F-40 is faster but I find most of the very scenic, low traffic roads
> around here have a much higher ratio of climbing per distance travelled and steeper climbs which
> do not favour a streamliner, nor do the descents on these roads which put very high heat loads on
> the braking system of a streamliner.
>
> So when is Easy Racers going to come out with a lightweight streamliner that won't get blown off
> the road when descending at speed in gusty conditions? I'm willing to get blown around a bit more
> than with my bodysocked Gold Rush but looking back the F-40 was unacceptable in this department.
>
> Zach Kaplan
 
Dogboy is a strong, smooth rider. Part of a duo that held the local time trial course record for
many years (tandem, upright bikes, 10 miles in 21 minutes ) before I moved to town with my
streamliners. My guess is, on like bikes, Dogboy will run John very hard. Speedy

"Emmett M. Hood III" wrote:

> [email protected] (John) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Dog boy, 50 vs 47, hard shell vs unfaired. A winter in KS of snow and ice or living in Ca where
> > you can ride everyday.
> >
> > I'm going to let the racer come out in me and say let's go for a ride with you and me out of
> > your shell or me in a shell and see what happens then the bragging can be on a level field.
> >
> > John
>
>
> Well John, I've been waiting patiently for Dogboy to reply to your challenge. Looks like Dogboy's
> 'bark is worse than his bite'.
>
> Emmett

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Most of the rides I do in the Bay area are hilly club rides, and I see almost no recumbent riders at
the middle to high level pace groups. Frank Patterson on his Haluzak Lizard, Orin from Rotator on an
unfaired bike occasionally, nobody else. I am fairly often the only bent rider on the ride.

Zach, are there any other bent riders doing club rides with you in the Alameda area? Or are you the
only one on a bent doing these hilly rides? I think Dogboy is the only one I have seen riding his
Coyote on the roads in this area on a regular basis.

Regards, Derek

>I find most of the very scenic, low traffic roads around here have a much higher ratio of climbing
>per distance travelled and steeper climbs which do not favour a streamliner, nor do the descents on
>these roads which put very high heat loads on the braking system of a streamliner.
 
John That was a version of the 7 Bob Gepford also had a 7 and pushed the pace up. Back in 95? Super
7's work fine for centuries. I've done a couple metric centuries at 32 mph average. No way I'll ever
do that on an unfaired! Not scary in cross winds like a short wheelbase streamliner. Speedy

John wrote:

> Steve, my computer at the end of the race showed 13.6 miles 23 mph average with a time of 35:50.
>
> Thanks for clearing up the time Rob English showed up for the race.
>
> What bike were you riding when you average 30mph for the race?
>
> As for next year we'll have to wait and see but I do hope I can come back out here. It is a good
> break form winter in Kansas.
>
> John
>
> "S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > John No disrespect is taken. And I didn't mean to be either. Checked the speedo from the race
> > bike this morning. Not to happy about the results. It does include the time pushing back to the
> > trailer and into the shop: distance 13.88 miles average 22.5 max. 106.9 ( the computer is
> > dreaming! ) time 37.06 average HR 139 If this true, then the last 2 years with my Pursuit was 3
> > mph faster. (same speedo for last 3 years)
> >
> > What was your #s?
> >
> > Every now and then I do run an unfaired, with decent results. Really like the power of a good
> > streamliner more.
> >
> > Hope to see you next year. Speedy
> >
> >
> > John wrote:
> >
> > > Steve, I meant no disrespect for you and after the race you said it was a just a walk in the
> > > park. I'm a firm beleiver that an unfair rider does not have a chance of beating a streamliner
> > > with a good rider or unless you were there the year Rob English showed up? If you were did Rob
> > > really beat you?
> > >
> > > One of my goals at this race was not to get lapped. This time you let that happen and I'm sure
> > > the next time your in a streamliner and I an unfaired bike you will not let that happen.
> > >
> > > What your doing with a streamliner in that type of race is just getting it closer to the day
> > > that there is more streetable streamliners out there on the road. It will take some time but
> > > what you guys are doing shows that it can happen.
> > >
> > > Now if you want to race unfaired bikes,,,,,,,,,......... let's see if it is a walk in the
> > > park.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > "S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > The year I averaged 30 mph and lapped the field several times the other riders got awfully
> > > > pissy. I now keep an eye on the field and make certain to win by just enough to make it look
> > > > fair. Better for the friendships.
> > > >
> > > > This is now 7 wins for 9 times the race has run or 77% win ratio. Sorry guys, this was just
> > > > a walk in the park. Speedy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry guys, you passed me once after the start. If you did not get the hired gun in the ti
> > > > > GR body sock you did not get me either.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did out climb the stream liners when I was with them on the hill.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > [email protected] (dogboy) wrote in message
> > > > > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > > > Both Steve and I lapped everybody out there except the guy riding for Gardener on the
> > > > > > Gold Rush w/sock. I thought it was "interesting" that the unfaireds, including
> > > > > > Bacchttas, couldn't climb the hill any faster than the streamliners!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Legs That was the Big Gun that I couldn't keep on the track. I was at the peak of Graves Disease at
the time. Messes with the balance among other symptoms. I'm doing a better job of standing up these
days......... Speedy

Dave Larrington wrote:

> Joao de Souza wrote:
>
> > That's the one you've been racing on, right? I think that's the one that would sell well if you
> > were ever to offer as an option.
>
> That's the one which, every time /I/ see Steve racing it, seems to fly off into the brush ;-) Must
> be me...
>
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I thought aerobic capacity and lactate threshold were, for the most part, the limiting factors in
bike races. Otherwise, why EPO and blood doping stuff? bill g

Gabriel DeVault wrote:

> Zach, you could haul ass in a streamliner, you have the right body type to fit in a nice skinny
> slick body, and you got muscles!
 
"S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The year I averaged 30 mph and lapped the field several times the other riders got awfully pissy.
> I now keep an eye on the field and make certain to win by just enough to make it look fair. Better
> for the friendships.
>
> This is now 7 wins for 9 times the race has run or 77% win ratio. Sorry guys, this was just a walk
> in the park. Speedy
>
Let me guess. You still do not use clipless pedals or toeclips and only use sneakers with BMX
pedals. Confess.
 
> Well John, I've been waiting patiently for Dogboy to reply to your challenge. Looks like Dogboy's
> 'bark is worse than his bite'.
>
> Emmett

Emmett, I was asked by Steve not to respond to his post and I can only guess that you're just
trying to stir up some sh*t with your post! I only challenged John's incorrect post at the
beginning that started all this. John appears to have a need to prove himself at someone else's
expense. I don't waste my time with people like that. I only ride for fun. John is free to build
whatever kind of bike he wants and race wherever he wants. I understand that the folks at Bachetta
are trying to make a name for themselves, but in my book they're going about it in an unproductive
way. If he wants to measure himself up against the Coyote, he should build a streetable streamliner
and go out to Battle
Mt. and see if he can do better than 54 mph or bring it up to Portland on Memorial weekend or come
do the Santa Rosa century. He would have ample opportunity to measure his performance against
mine at any of those venues. Other than that I couldn't care less,.. get a life! Sorry
Steve!!!!!!!
 
Derek:

In my cycling club, Grizzly Peak Cyclists, there are maybe ten people that own recumbents. Of these
the only ones taking their recumbents on club rides seem to be slower riders doing the shorter
rides. So on the longer, faster paced, hillier club rides I do I'm always the only recumbent rider.
My riding buddies I regularly do these rides with are all riding road bikes, mostly high end
titanium and carbon fibre types. With the Aero I fit in well with them. They know I'm a bit
different but I was before I got the Aero when I was riding other recumbents with them. I have their
respect and seem to be treated equally now that I have the Aero and can keep up with them on the
climbs or in many cases get to the tops of the climbs ahead of them. It is fun being able to compare
notes with them about carbon fibre road bike forks and road bike tyres. I like riding a vehicle
different from everyone elses that still has some basic similarities they can relate to.

I have some recumbent riding friends in the South Bay that do hilly rides on their recumbents but I
haven't been riding with them much since getting the Aero.

Zach Kaplan

"Derek" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Most of the rides I do in the Bay area are hilly club rides, and I see almost no recumbent riders
> at the middle to high level pace groups. Frank Patterson on his Haluzak Lizard, Orin from Rotator
> on an unfaired bike occasionally, nobody else. I am fairly often the only bent rider on the ride.
>
> Zach, are there any other bent riders doing club rides with you in the Alameda area? Or are you
> the only one on a bent doing these hilly rides? I think Dogboy is the only one I have seen riding
> his Coyote on the roads in this area on a regular basis.
>
> Regards, Derek
>
> >I find most of the very scenic, low traffic roads around here have a much higher ratio of
> >climbing per distance travelled and steeper climbs which do not favour a streamliner, nor do the
> >descents on these roads which put very high heat loads on the braking system of a streamliner.
 
> Part of a duo that held the local time trial course record for many years (tandem, upright bikes,
> 10 miles in 21 minutes )

It was 10 miles in 19 min. 50 sec.
 
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