Illegals

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  1. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    Forgot...check out Corratec. A Pro Contintental team are using them.
     


  2. Volnix

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    Corratec is weird. :p So is Canyon. :p

    I think they do alot of business on line...

    I saw a Storck road bike on the road once. It looked pretty solid. ;) no fancy hydroformed stuff though.

    There was a video made by Coreatec once and the presenters which were company people looked alot like pornstars. :D Dunno if I can find it... :D
     
  3. BikeBikeBikeBike

    BikeBikeBikeBike Well-Known Member

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    Germans "following rules" is an understatement!
    You're in pretty good hands buying anything made in Germany, they don't mess around when it comes to manufacturing.
    Well we could get into the whole VM emissions thing... if anything that shows how GOOD at engineering they are ;)
     
  4. Weatherby

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    You really think Canyon makes their frames within 3000 Km of Koblenz?

    They may hang the Asian made components off the Asian made frames but is this really manufacturing?

    Direct to consumer cutting out the bike shop is not really following the German rules and it one ups the likes of Walmart.
     
  5. Volnix

    Volnix Well-Known Member

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    Some of the high end stuff from them might be made in The Merkel-land.

    Well, they do say what's good about their stuff, like good grip on contis, but what they -dont!- say, like that they will tear on the sidewalls after 2000km kinda leaves me worried.

    Zey are zneaky b@stardz zey...

    But around here, Cube, Ghost, Canyon are a good deal usually.

    The frame could be OK enough and for 800eurosez you get something carbon fork and maybe shim 105...

    Giant is more expensive... Cannondale and Spesh, even more expensive. But their frames come with a reassuring 1 page internetz reviews about handling, feeling, etc... :D

    If they didn't steal so f@ckin much around here I would just have a CAAD10 (hey its tapered too!) with 25 Tires for da smoothness and a cross bike, like a Ridley.

    And then I would go and buy a Black Orange SWorks Tarmac frame with Mavic and Campy mechanical... And a Look 695...
     
  6. Weatherby

    Weatherby Well-Known Member

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    I have had one bike stolen in my 40+ years of cycling.

    It was in Germany.

    I've been mugged three times total. Twice in Euroland

     
  7. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    We almost got robbed in Italy. They make lousy pizza there, too.

    But Campagnolo makes up for those sins.
     
  8. Kakashi

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    Well we don't have that kind of problem here, but for me doing a bit of sacrifice for some refugees who doesn't have a roof on their head is a humane act. Considering all the dangers and hardships they are facing, it's helps to understand their situation don't you think? If they have any other options they won't be there in the first place.
     
  9. cyclintom

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    I have a Ridley cross bike as well and I really can't understand what they did to that bike to make it ride so smooth and easily.
     
  10. Froze

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    Except for one small problem, cities like Los Angeles have a huge problem with refugees, though most come from Mexico, and they are stealing everything they can find including bikes, they are also costing each taxpayer of Calif about $2500 a year in medical costs which is why Calif is on the brink of bankruptcy. So while it's a shame that there are such issues in the world, America can no longer afford to keep supporting these people, most of them come here to take what they can for free from the government and from the society around where they live, not to mention trash the areas and increase crime especially violent crimes. If they came here to contribute to our society in meaningful ways then I would have no problem with them coming but they don't so I have problem them coming here. If a refugee is here and is gainfully employed, paying taxes, not collecting welfare or mediCal and living in an apartment or some other permanent type of housing, and commited no crimes then they should be able to stay, otherwise get out of this country and go back to wherever they're from and use their country of origin welfare system.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-stolen-bikes-20171130-story.html
     
  11. cyclintom

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    My city of San Leandro held up their heads and proclaimed out city a "Sanctuary City". That was a year ago. We just got the report that we are now $8 Million in the hole. Did they think that this was going to be free? What's more - "Sanctuary City" proclamation do not do anything for the man-on-the-street illegal, the only people they affect is those being released from prison - felons. And as we all know, felons really need taxpayer protection.
     
  12. Froze

    Froze Well-Known Member

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    This is what happens when we try to be nice, it bites us in arse. And that 8 million dollar hole is going to get larger every year, next year it could double to 16 million, and the year after that 24 million and on and on, well who's going to pay for that? All the homeowners will get a nice little increase in their city portion of their taxes, maybe a sales tax increase too, and that still won't take care of the constant upward trend that sanctuary city program is going to cost. So not only did the felons steal, rob, and murder their way into jail but now their doing it to an entire city.

    I know there are a lot of bleeding hearts out there, and in all honesty I don't like the fact that felons who want to go clean have a difficult time of it, but I didn't put them in their situation, they did that on their own, so they have to, on their own, pull themselves up by their boot straps and find work. There are places around that will hire a felon, lots of blue collar jobs will, and a lot of those pay good money, and they're have been felons who became millionaires the honest way, and to all of those who have succeeded I tip my hat, to all of those who want to use taxpayers money or continue to commit felonys...go to hell!
     
  13. cyclintom

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    A lot of the illegals came here to be Americans. To work like Americans and to try to succeed like Americans. But too many came here because our society under Obama was willing to support them. Why? If they can NEVER be an contributing member of society WHY would you allow them to stay in this country? A large portion of them cannot read or write. They do not have any skills for a modern society and will be a drag upon our country for perhaps over 40 years. Chain migration is absolutely the worst. This stops people that are trying to gain legal entrance into this country from entering. People that have skills and drive that we need.

    My grandfather entered illegally in 1898 but it was different then. At that time you could only enter this country legally at Ellis Island NY or San Francisco. These were the only ports of entry. So ships would avoid these ports because the entire crews would desert. My grandfather was the chief engineer on a steam ship and when they stopped at New Orleans he jumped ship and rode the rails to Salinas where he became the Chief Engineer for Spreckles Sugar Company. As soon as he had time he went to San Francisco and filed for citizenship. I still have a picture of him holding an American flag and smiling the day he was made a citizen. He was also a writer and wrote news about the Slav neighborhoods. I have a compilation of his writings around here somewhere but I don't read Croatian.

    In the second Obama election I went to vote here and coming out there were about 100 "voters" there that could not speak English. As the day wore on many more showed up and voted. They had to call in translators. I talked to one the next evening when I bumped into her in the grocery store. She said that she knew they were all illegal but that the poll workers couldn't do anything about it since they were all registered to vote somehow in a neighborhood where they didn't live. There wasn't one thing under Obama that wasn't entirely corrupt.
     
  14. Kakashi

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    I definitely agree on what your saying, my brother lives in L.A. and was forced to move to Adelaide, Australia because his business is being harassed by Mexican youth gangs.

    I believe that any legal / illegal immigrants to any country if and when they become a liability to a city or country should be shipped back to wherever they came from. Foreigners and even legal migrants should always show decency and respect to the locals.

    My country was attacked last year by the Islamic terrorist group isis and a lot foreigners came in from the Middle East, Europe, Asia incognito as professors, teachers, investors, preachers etc to support isis and to become fighters, leaders and financers. Well, they're all dead now.
     
  15. Froze

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    Yeah I know about this Obama issue, I didn't want to bring it up because there are A LOT of people who think he was god (note I used a small g?!). Democrats have been doing this for quite sometime, this is why the demcrats pushed like crazy all the welfare programs because they are literally buying the poor person's votes. Obama took it to the extreme of course. And the debt that Obama put this nation under is going to rape every single American for many years to come by something called inflation. The government can't even afford to pay the interest on the debt not alone pay down the debt, in fact it may now be impossible to pay down the debt, so in order to keep the country's head above water they have no choice but to print more dollars, more dollars printed will raise inflation which means we have to pay more for goods we buy. See the democrats call themselves the party of the educated but the democrat voters can't seem to get this debt relationship with inflation into their highly educated and intellegent brains. Combine that with future tax hikes (yup, they don't have a choice here no matter what campaign promises are made by whatever party...or the government can print even more dollars and the resulting inflation is the tax), they will have to cut spending which means a lot of programs will be cut starting with non essentials like bike infrastructure as one example, cutting pension plans is another. Japan has seemed to survive with a high debt to GDP, but bond yields are low because there is strong domestic demand for buying government borrowing, can we duplicate that here in the US? not so far but it could happen.

    Here's a good read on the problem with inflation if you don't already understand it: https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/634/economics/the-problem-with-printing-money/

    The world bank is also becoming very concern about the US dollar continueing as the world currency, they are now seriously looking at the Chinese Yuan as the next world currency. Believe it or not, if the world bank makes a move to change to the Yuan the US could cause a war in an attempt to steer the world bank away from doing that. and this would be a major war with NATO going against China and Russia. If not a war, though personally from history war is a foregone conclussion, but lets assume there is no war, all the companies and banks throughout the world that depend on the dollar will collapse and go bankrupt...and that's a lot of companies and banks, so much so that the western society would collapse.

    I believe a huge collapse is just around the corner, when will we actually turn the corner? I can't answer with any degree of certainity but I would venture a guess and say sometime within the next 25 years; and this will be a result of insane politicians from all parties not just one or the other; I also believe that once that collapse starts a major war will breakout to try to cover it up and to go after those, China and Russia, who would profit the most from a collapse, then we will see run away inflation where it could take a wheel barrel of cash just to buy a loaf of bread.

    And because the US against all common sense, allowed themselves to borrow money from foreign governments, some hostile towards us, when we do go bankrupt there will be a run by every single American to sell everything they have, and guess who is waiting to take it from you? those foreign governments...don't do that! do not follow the mice all running for cover, if you can hold out and keep what you have and last through the storm you could be very wealthy in the end...or at least your surviving family members if the storm takes a very long time and you die of old age in the process.

    Some people believe that none of what I said will ever happen, but those people are seeing through rose colored glasses and are blinded by the facts, history has a way of repeating itself except this time the issue is the largest the world has ever seen in it's history, and thus the problems that will occur will be the largest ever seen in history.

    What happens once this crap all hits the ceiling and settles down? I don't know, humans tend to repeat their mistakes by doing the same thing over and over again and thinking they're going to get a different result.
     
  16. cyclintom

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    Things aren't as bad as it seems. The US doesn't need to allow foreign national companies to seize American assets. That was their mistake if they believed that investment in American businesses meant that they could derive anything other than profits.

    One of the things that amazed me was that people were WATCHING inflation and then repeating the words of Obama that we didn't have any inflation. I forget what the method is called at the moment. But the gist of it is that if people couldn't afford bread because the price inflated too much and so started buying flour to make their own, the Obama regime then used the cost of flour rather than the cost of bread to claim the price of "essentials" hadn't changed.

    When a can of beans went from 50 cents to almost three dollars why did they believe there was no inflation? I'm looking at people eating now like they did in 1950 because better food is too expensive for them to buy. I bought TWO new york steaks the other day for a special dinner and they cost me $30! A package of FOUR sausages is $6 and people are saying that there was no inflation? Potatoes at $5/lb? In 2012 a bag of groceries for a week was about $30 which was outrageous. By 2016 it was $80. But man there was no inflation. Even Michael Savage said that idiotic message showing that he doesn't do his own shopping.

    I'm a pretty good cook so I can make do with vegetables and cheap meat. But what in the hell do the people I see buying TV Dinners think is going to happen to their health? The last time I saw fresh fish that you could stomach was in a restaurant. The local seafood shop can't get anything.

    But hell we have money to throw away. Just ask the Dimcrats.
     
  17. Froze

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    And it's this mentality of us having money to throw away is why things like appliances that last less then 1/2 as long as they did just 40 years ago, other items barely make it past the warranty period then has to be replaced. Look at how much bikes cost now, take a look at what is now considered to be a mid level competition bicycle, a Trek Madone 9.2 that cost around $5,000, this is a full CF bike with Ultegra groupset, here's what it looks like: [​IMG]
    Nice huh? note all the technology, the mechanical sophistication.

    Now look at this and tell me which has more technology and mechanical sophistication:
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    This is a 2018 Suzuki GSX250R, now much does this cost? $18,000? from the engineering involved in this motorcycle it should cost $18,000 since a bicycle with far less engineering cost $5,000, nope this motorcycle cost $4865...just over $100 less then the Trek Madone! But this is made possible by people who think we have money to burn.

    Some will argue that TV's have actually gone down in price over the last 40 years because TV's have actually gone down in price when inflation is considered, but why is that? It's more complex to make a LED screen then a cathoid tube yet prices keep falling, why? Because they want to put TV's in the hands of as many people as possible because of all the advertising that is done, and they want people to see those ads and buy what they see.
     
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