Knaven HR data

[Gary]

It will be interesting to see the Polar HR data from today's ride by Knaven. He's one of a handful
of riders who have their HR info available at: http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html But
he's the first stage winner of the bunch. It will be fun to see how he managed his ride with the
breakaway and attack. Probably will be posted tomorrow.

 

[Daniel Connelly]

Lindsay wrote:
>>http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html
> Cool site, great info. Take a look at Mancebo, Stage 8, L'Alpde d'Huez.

The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform, yet he maintains a quite steady HR there. Lesson for
the masses?

Dan

 

[Steve Blankensh]

"Daniel Connelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >>http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html
> > Cool site, great info. Take a look at Mancebo, Stage 8, L'Alpde d'Huez.
>
>
> The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform, yet he maintains a quite steady
HR there.
> Lesson for the masses?
>

Should be, if they haven't learned it already. I remember the first time I did a very-familiar local
climb using an HRM to stay at LT (which I'd sussed via conconi-style testing). I was firstly amazed
at how much more my gearing and tempo varied with gradient changes, and secondly by finishing the
climb with a PR while feeling fresher at the top than I ever had before. Darned useful devices, if
you take the time to learn your LT.

SB

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Daniel Connelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >>http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html
> > Cool site, great info. Take a look at Mancebo, Stage 8, L'Alpde d'Huez.
>
>
> The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform, yet he maintains a quite steady
HR there.
> Lesson for the masses?

The HR data from these TdF participants isn't nearly as interesting as the data from Mattis
of Webcor.

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:45 GMT, Daniel Connelly wrote:
> The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/cols/l/huez_sud.gif

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:45 GMT, Daniel Connelly wrote:
> > The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform
>
> http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/cols/l/huez_sud.gif

Come on Ewoud.

Please be nice to Dan, he hasn't been around for awhile.

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:51:34 GMT, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:53:45 GMT, Daniel Connelly wrote:
>> > The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform
>>
>> http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/cycling/cols/l/huez_sud.gif
>
>Come on Ewoud. Please be nice to Dan, he hasn't been around for awhile.

I wasn't sure if I was being nice or not, my first thought after reading Dan's line was: "yes it
is!", but when I checked the graph: well mm mmm, maybe it's not "highly non-uniform" but not very
regular either. So no comment, just the url.

 

[Andy Coggan]

I predict that his HR will be moderately high, then higher still towards the end.

(Yawn.)

Andy Coggan

"Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> It will be interesting to see the Polar HR data from today's ride by Knaven. He's one of a handful
> of riders who have their HR info available
at:
> http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html But he's the first stage winner of the bunch. It
> will be fun to see how he managed his ride with the breakaway and attack. Probably will be posted
> tomorrow.

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Daniel Connelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Lindsay wrote:
> >>http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html
> > Cool site, great info. Take a look at Mancebo, Stage 8, L'Alpde d'Huez.
>
> The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform, yet he maintains a quite steady
HR there.
> Lesson for the masses?

Yeah: that there's a significant time delay (half-life ~30 s) between changes in exercise intensity
and changes in heart rate.

Andy Coggan

 

[B. Lafferty]

"Andy Coggan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I predict that his HR will be moderately high, then higher still towards
the
> end.
>
> (Yawn.)
>
> Andy Coggan

Damn! How do you do that?

 

[Precious Pup]

Andy Coggan wrote:
>
> "Daniel Connelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Lindsay wrote:
> > >>http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html
> > > Cool site, great info. Take a look at Mancebo, Stage 8, L'Alpde d'Huez.
> >
> > The grade on L'Alpe is highly non-uniform, yet he maintains a quite steady
> HR there.
> > Lesson for the masses?
>
> Yeah: that there's a significant time delay (half-life ~30 s) between changes in exercise
> intensity and changes in heart rate.

Are you implying he was sharply changing the intensity of his physical effort while going up such a
long climb? Why would a non-uniform climb *require* non-uniform power delivery, assuming you mean
that "exercise intensity" is associated with power output?

I don't know about you, but on long climbs, I go slowest on the steepest parts and faster on the
less steep parts. That is some pretty weird ****... yawn.

 

[Brian Phillips]

"Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> It will be interesting to see the Polar HR data from today's ride by Knaven. He's one of a handful
> of riders who have their HR info available
at:
> http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html

In the first stage, his HR was as low as 60! That's me, sitting in my La-Z-Boy, watching the tour
on OLN....

 

[Raptor]

Brian Phillips wrote:
> "Gary" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>>It will be interesting to see the Polar HR data from today's ride by Knaven. He's one of a handful
>>of riders who have their HR info available
>
> at:
>
>>http://tdf.polar.fi/tourdefrance/heartrates.html
>
>
> In the first stage, his HR was as low as 60! That's me, sitting in my La-Z-Boy, watching the tour
> on OLN....

A post last week asserted (with attribution) that the riders in the peloton were doing less than 100
W average. That's almost six-ounce curl territory.

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[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:49:10 -0500, Gary wrote:
>It will be interesting to see the Polar HR data from today's ride by Knaven. [...] Probably will be
>posted tomorrow.

Damn! Only Sébastien Hinault.

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Raptor" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

> A post last week asserted (with attribution) that the riders in the peloton were doing less than
> 100 W average.

*Some* riders in *some* stages may be only producing that much power on average (and keep in mind
that the average is brought down by every second of coasting or soft-pedaling).

Andy Coggan

 

[Robert Chung]

"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:49:10 -0500, Gary wrote:
> >It will be interesting to see the Polar HR data from today's ride by Knaven. [...] Probably will
> >be posted tomorrow.
>
> Damn! Only Sébastien Hinault.

It's there now, if you're still interested. I'm not quite sure how informative it is.

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:10:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
>It's there now, if you're still interested.

Thanks.

>I'm not quite sure how informative it is.

Erm well, informative, in any case nice to have a look at for a minute.

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:10:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
>It's there now, if you're still interested.

Thanks.

>I'm not quite sure how informative it is.

Erm well, informative, in any case nice to have a look at for a minute.

 

[Robert Chung]

"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:10:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> >I'm not quite sure how informative it is.
>
> Erm well, informative, in any case nice to have a look at for a minute.

That's the issue in a nutshell, I think. The graphs are kinda pretty to look at but what do you do
with them? I tend to think that the software that comes with HRMs and power meters is optimized for
drawing nice graphs, but not so much for useful information.

 

[Robert Chung]

"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:10:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> >I'm not quite sure how informative it is.
>
> Erm well, informative, in any case nice to have a look at for a minute.

That's the issue in a nutshell, I think. The graphs are kinda pretty to look at but what do you do
with them? I tend to think that the software that comes with HRMs and power meters is optimized for
drawing nice graphs, but not so much for useful information.