Men portayed as buffoons on television



Charles wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0800, Ryan Case
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>zoo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
>>>television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
>>>countries.)
>>>
>>>Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
>>>retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
>>>healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
>>>pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>>>
>>>All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what I
>>>see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it "payback"
>>>for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men and boys?
>>>
>>>Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
>>>commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light. Why?
>>>Is it guilt?
>>>
>>>I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even notice
>>>it as I do..
>>>

>>
>>
>>I have said something to the effect of this for a couple of years now. I
>>have to disagree with you though on a minor point. There is an income
>>level where this changes. As well as an age level. You don't see Mecedes
>>commercials where the men are idiots. Instead you see successful 50
>>somethings with great arm trophies. (When the comm. is geared at men).
>>
>>What you do see are the men between 20 and 49 being represented as
>>idiots. I think that the reason for this is prolly two fold. One, it
>>allows the women to feel superior to the men. And two it allows the men
>>in this age range to feel like they are better then the folks on the
>>shows/commercials. That's really only one reason with two targets, huh?
>>
>>I don't think tht this is an entirely encompassing phenom, but I do see
>>it a lot. There are shows out there that depict men and women as equals,
>>etc. But a lot of what seems to be popular sit com stuff definately
>>seems to be making the men the patsies. I guess that is why I don't
>>watch much of it.

>
>
> When did you last see a cop movie when the top cop wasn't a woman or a
> black guy? And how many big tough men get the **** knocked out of them
> by small, slim, attractive very hot women?
>
> There is definitely a movement toward social engineering in the
> entertainment industry, which of course is riddled with PC and
> homosexuality.


No argument here. I was saying last weekend that if one uses there
casting practices as a ruler then the TLC HGTV conglomeration must want
us to believe that about half the US is gay.

>
> How much of it influences what happens in real life I wonder.


I think that they deaden the public's nerves to certain things. Each
generation has been shown more things on television and each generation
seems more tolerant of certain things.

One of the reasons that I quit watching the CSI shows was that they
continued to escalate the amount of children victims in the crimes. I
think that it was becuase they had shown too many other crimes and
weren't getting a shock factor anymore. I don't care to watch shows that
use harming children in the story line for entertainment.
 
Charles wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0800, Ryan Case
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>zoo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
>>>television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
>>>countries.)
>>>
>>>Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
>>>retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
>>>healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
>>>pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>>>
>>>All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what I
>>>see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it "payback"
>>>for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men and boys?
>>>
>>>Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
>>>commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light. Why?
>>>Is it guilt?
>>>
>>>I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even notice
>>>it as I do..
>>>

>>
>>
>>I have said something to the effect of this for a couple of years now. I
>>have to disagree with you though on a minor point. There is an income
>>level where this changes. As well as an age level. You don't see Mecedes
>>commercials where the men are idiots. Instead you see successful 50
>>somethings with great arm trophies. (When the comm. is geared at men).
>>
>>What you do see are the men between 20 and 49 being represented as
>>idiots. I think that the reason for this is prolly two fold. One, it
>>allows the women to feel superior to the men. And two it allows the men
>>in this age range to feel like they are better then the folks on the
>>shows/commercials. That's really only one reason with two targets, huh?
>>
>>I don't think tht this is an entirely encompassing phenom, but I do see
>>it a lot. There are shows out there that depict men and women as equals,
>>etc. But a lot of what seems to be popular sit com stuff definately
>>seems to be making the men the patsies. I guess that is why I don't
>>watch much of it.

>
>
> When did you last see a cop movie when the top cop wasn't a woman or a
> black guy? And how many big tough men get the **** knocked out of them
> by small, slim, attractive very hot women?
>
> There is definitely a movement toward social engineering in the
> entertainment industry, which of course is riddled with PC and
> homosexuality.


No argument here. I was saying last weekend that if one uses there
casting practices as a ruler then the TLC HGTV conglomeration must want
us to believe that about half the US is gay.

>
> How much of it influences what happens in real life I wonder.


I think that they deaden the public's nerves to certain things. Each
generation has been shown more things on television and each generation
seems more tolerant of certain things.

One of the reasons that I quit watching the CSI shows was that they
continued to escalate the amount of children victims in the crimes. I
think that it was becuase they had shown too many other crimes and
weren't getting a shock factor anymore. I don't care to watch shows that
use harming children in the story line for entertainment.
 
Charles wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0800, Ryan Case
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>zoo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
>>>television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
>>>countries.)
>>>
>>>Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
>>>retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
>>>healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
>>>pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>>>
>>>All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what I
>>>see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it "payback"
>>>for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men and boys?
>>>
>>>Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
>>>commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light. Why?
>>>Is it guilt?
>>>
>>>I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even notice
>>>it as I do..
>>>

>>
>>
>>I have said something to the effect of this for a couple of years now. I
>>have to disagree with you though on a minor point. There is an income
>>level where this changes. As well as an age level. You don't see Mecedes
>>commercials where the men are idiots. Instead you see successful 50
>>somethings with great arm trophies. (When the comm. is geared at men).
>>
>>What you do see are the men between 20 and 49 being represented as
>>idiots. I think that the reason for this is prolly two fold. One, it
>>allows the women to feel superior to the men. And two it allows the men
>>in this age range to feel like they are better then the folks on the
>>shows/commercials. That's really only one reason with two targets, huh?
>>
>>I don't think tht this is an entirely encompassing phenom, but I do see
>>it a lot. There are shows out there that depict men and women as equals,
>>etc. But a lot of what seems to be popular sit com stuff definately
>>seems to be making the men the patsies. I guess that is why I don't
>>watch much of it.

>
>
> When did you last see a cop movie when the top cop wasn't a woman or a
> black guy? And how many big tough men get the **** knocked out of them
> by small, slim, attractive very hot women?
>
> There is definitely a movement toward social engineering in the
> entertainment industry, which of course is riddled with PC and
> homosexuality.


No argument here. I was saying last weekend that if one uses there
casting practices as a ruler then the TLC HGTV conglomeration must want
us to believe that about half the US is gay.

>
> How much of it influences what happens in real life I wonder.


I think that they deaden the public's nerves to certain things. Each
generation has been shown more things on television and each generation
seems more tolerant of certain things.

One of the reasons that I quit watching the CSI shows was that they
continued to escalate the amount of children victims in the crimes. I
think that it was becuase they had shown too many other crimes and
weren't getting a shock factor anymore. I don't care to watch shows that
use harming children in the story line for entertainment.
 
Charles wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:02:52 -0800, Ryan Case
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>zoo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
>>>television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
>>>countries.)
>>>
>>>Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
>>>retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
>>>healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
>>>pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>>>
>>>All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what I
>>>see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it "payback"
>>>for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men and boys?
>>>
>>>Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
>>>commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light. Why?
>>>Is it guilt?
>>>
>>>I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even notice
>>>it as I do..
>>>

>>
>>
>>I have said something to the effect of this for a couple of years now. I
>>have to disagree with you though on a minor point. There is an income
>>level where this changes. As well as an age level. You don't see Mecedes
>>commercials where the men are idiots. Instead you see successful 50
>>somethings with great arm trophies. (When the comm. is geared at men).
>>
>>What you do see are the men between 20 and 49 being represented as
>>idiots. I think that the reason for this is prolly two fold. One, it
>>allows the women to feel superior to the men. And two it allows the men
>>in this age range to feel like they are better then the folks on the
>>shows/commercials. That's really only one reason with two targets, huh?
>>
>>I don't think tht this is an entirely encompassing phenom, but I do see
>>it a lot. There are shows out there that depict men and women as equals,
>>etc. But a lot of what seems to be popular sit com stuff definately
>>seems to be making the men the patsies. I guess that is why I don't
>>watch much of it.

>
>
> When did you last see a cop movie when the top cop wasn't a woman or a
> black guy? And how many big tough men get the **** knocked out of them
> by small, slim, attractive very hot women?
>
> There is definitely a movement toward social engineering in the
> entertainment industry, which of course is riddled with PC and
> homosexuality.


No argument here. I was saying last weekend that if one uses there
casting practices as a ruler then the TLC HGTV conglomeration must want
us to believe that about half the US is gay.

>
> How much of it influences what happens in real life I wonder.


I think that they deaden the public's nerves to certain things. Each
generation has been shown more things on television and each generation
seems more tolerant of certain things.

One of the reasons that I quit watching the CSI shows was that they
continued to escalate the amount of children victims in the crimes. I
think that it was becuase they had shown too many other crimes and
weren't getting a shock factor anymore. I don't care to watch shows that
use harming children in the story line for entertainment.
 
Ryan Case wrote:

> I think that they deaden the public's nerves to certain things. Each
> generation has been shown more things on television and each generation
> seems more tolerant of certain things.
>
> One of the reasons that I quit watching the CSI shows was that they
> continued to escalate the amount of children victims in the crimes. I
> think that it was becuase they had shown too many other crimes and
> weren't getting a shock factor anymore. I don't care to watch shows that
> use harming children in the story line for entertainment.


We watched a show the other night ("criminal minds", maybe?) that showed
people burning to death. I remember when the concept of a snuff film
was something too distasteful to mention in polite conversation. Now
the shows throw a snuff-film into every episode.

Dally
 
Ryan Case wrote:

> I think that they deaden the public's nerves to certain things. Each
> generation has been shown more things on television and each generation
> seems more tolerant of certain things.
>
> One of the reasons that I quit watching the CSI shows was that they
> continued to escalate the amount of children victims in the crimes. I
> think that it was becuase they had shown too many other crimes and
> weren't getting a shock factor anymore. I don't care to watch shows that
> use harming children in the story line for entertainment.


We watched a show the other night ("criminal minds", maybe?) that showed
people burning to death. I remember when the concept of a snuff film
was something too distasteful to mention in polite conversation. Now
the shows throw a snuff-film into every episode.

Dally
 
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:35:36 -0800, Ryan Case
<[email protected]> wrote:

> to believe that about half the US is gay.


Well my beach is here now, so half the people in this room are gay.
No, make that 100%.

Hugh

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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:35:36 -0800, Ryan Case
<[email protected]> wrote:

> to believe that about half the US is gay.


Well my beach is here now, so half the people in this room are gay.
No, make that 100%.

Hugh

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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:43:00 -0500, Dally <[email protected]> wrote:

>We watched a show the other night ("criminal minds", maybe?) that showed
>people burning to death. I remember when the concept of a snuff film
>was something too distasteful to mention in polite conversation. Now
>the shows throw a snuff-film into every episode.


That's a crime show, you walrus-assed dolt!

Hugh

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"zoo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
> television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
> countries.)
>
> Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
> retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
> healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
> pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>
> All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what I
> see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it "payback"
> for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men and boys?
>
> Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
> commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light. Why?
> Is it guilt?
>
> I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even notice
> it as I do..


Because they are selling products to women?
 
ATP* wrote:

> Because they are selling products to women?


Possibly, but what I discovered was that the true buffoons were selling
products to dumb people, and the buffoons were mostly mixed man and
women in the commercial. People who carry credit card balances, people
who don't have cellphones yet, people who shop at big box retailers,
people who play the lottery.

The largest category includes men in non-threatening roles - not
buffoons, not extraordinarily gifted, just Everyman. There was a pretty
substantial category of men non-threatening to the point of being
whipped, but they aren't buffoons about it. (Example: Santa buying
diamonds for Mrs. Claus.)

I watched two hours of TV last night and kept the commercials on and
kept track of them in a notebook. Here’s what I found:

First, I watched CSI. There were four murders being investigated. We
saw all four dead bodies and didn’t see any of them actually in the act
of BECOMING dead except for one blow to the back of a head seen in
flashback. The ick factor came from foley sounds when they were
processing the bodies.

I then watched “Without a Trace”, an FBI show that I’d seen before where
4 FBI agents spend the week looking for a chick who had gone off with
her boyfriend without telling her parents. I thought it was incredibly
stupid to believe that manpower of that sort was available on a whim,
but this episode was the exact opposite: now it was four agents dealing
with an international assassination at the highest levels. Uh, no. But
anyway, the body count in this was 6 people murdered (on screen) and 6
people’s lives endangered. Pretty humongous body count for one
one-hour TV show.

Here are the commercials I saw, broken out roughly by how they treat men:

No men – product only or only women:
JCPenney gifts – no men
Dell PCs – product only no men
Sharp TV – product only, no men
Victoria’s Secret – women models
Lunesta – product only, no men
Furniture – product only
Women lighting scented candles – no men

Non-threatening men:
Victoria’s Secret – women models plus male entertainers Seal & Ricki Martin
Circuit City Geeky Guy – not buffoon exactly, but non-threatening man
Electronics commercial with old Fedora guy – non-threatening man
K.I.S.S. Ford family of light-brained people grinning
Honda happy carolers – non-threatening man
Olive Garden – people having fun
Dunkin Donuts for hapless commuters – both men & women nonthreatening
Applebees – people having fun
Dunkin Donuts man mistakes trashcan for order window before he has
coffee – non-threatening man
Kohl’s – models show clothes – non-threatening men
Geeky dancing men at Best Buy – nonthreatening men
Singing choir lauds product – nonthreatening men
Man with smelly feet is oblivious to wife’s desire for AirWick air freshener
Happy man & woman driving sporty cheap car – non-threatening men

Non-threatening to the point of being whipped:
Credit card bill escapes – whipped man
Whipped Man has To Do list from Target
Man getting Lexus from wife for Christmas – whipped
Easy-going man’s wife plans too much entertaining – whipped man for
Grocery Store
Santa buys diamonds for Mrs. Claus. Whipped man

Sad or sober or ill men:
Get an HIV test. Sober men & women
Man reading on couch having been cured of Restless Leg Syndrome – sober men
Ad for cancer treatment – sober men

Cool or brainy or sexy or famous or manly men:
Snoop Doggy Dog looks for his necklace but David Bowie has it. Cool men.
Johny Cash commercial
Lowe’s Holiday value – manly men doing handyman stuff
GQ man gives a diamond – brainy well-off men
Country Music Awards - mostly male singer/models
Car commercial featuring architects – brainy well-off men
Pope John Paul II being kind (movie preview)
New England Patriots hold up trophy & grunt – manly men
Man having fun driving sports car – manly man
Brainy man says DSL is faster, looks GQ & has British accent
Peter comes home from college & makes coffee: thoughtful grown up man

Violent men
Without a Trace preview: violent men wanting revenge
Tom Cruise preview for War of the World – violent men
News preview: 1000th execution – violent man
News preview: police rescue – violent man
Syriana preview – violent men

Pitiful women:
Oprah preview – pitiful women
Knots Landing preview – women being utterly inane
Dr. Phil preview – pitiful women

Doofus or buffoon:
Vikings try to parlay skillset in world where pillaging no longer
required. Parodies of violence, not buffoonery exactly, but targets
people who carry credit card balance
Shy boy being blown away by Xmas lights during kiss – not buffoon
Singing furniture & smarmy sales man – not buffoon exactly
Whole family of buffoons don’t have cellphones – 2 men, 2 women
A mixed bunch of buffoons buy into AOL – men & women both
Preview: Dave gets Oprah. Buffoon who makes big bucks at it
Happy Grocery Store employees grin – buffoons (mixed) where target are
people who’d work in grocery stores
Buffoon man wins lottery. Lottery buyers are target audience
Buffoon Dad can’t decorate for holidays without Target

In conclusion, if you're a manly man you probably don't want to shop at
big box retailers or buy lottery tickets.

Dally
 
Dally wrote:
> [snip]
> None of these shows show men as buffoons.
>
> What are you watching?


Most of the comedies portray men as buffoons. Especially the
family-oriented ones - Dad's always a well-intentioned idiot, Mom is the
calm authority, the kids are obnoxiously precocious.

Most of the dramas are fairly even-handed. So if you tend to watch
dramas (as you do) you won't get that impression.

Neil
 
"zoo" <[email protected]> writes:

> I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
> television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about
> other countries.)
>
> Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
> retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
> healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
> pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.


That's the kind of women that I want to watch on TV. Men are just
comic relief.

> All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not
> what I see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it
> "payback" for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against
> men and boys?


It's just men writing the kind of commercials that they think that
*men* would like to see. All the women are beautiful, and all the men
are morons (and yet are surrounded by beautiful women).

> Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
> commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering
> light. Why? Is it guilt?


It's funny.

> I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even
> notice it as I do..


They buy more stuff...

Jason
 
Hugh Beyer <[email protected]> writes:

> Ryan Case <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> zoo wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
>>> television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
>>> countries.)
>>>
>>> Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
>>> retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
>>> healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
>>> pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>>>
>>> All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what I
>>> see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it "payback"
>>> for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men and boys?
>>>
>>> Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
>>> commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light. Why?
>>> Is it guilt?
>>>
>>> I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even notice
>>> it as I do..
>>>

>>
>>
>> I have said something to the effect of this for a couple of years now. I
>> have to disagree with you though on a minor point. There is an income
>> level where this changes. As well as an age level. You don't see Mecedes
>> commercials where the men are idiots. Instead you see successful 50
>> somethings with great arm trophies. (When the comm. is geared at men).
>>
>> What you do see are the men between 20 and 49 being represented as
>> idiots. I think that the reason for this is prolly two fold. One, it
>> allows the women to feel superior to the men. And two it allows the men
>> in this age range to feel like they are better then the folks on the
>> shows/commercials. That's really only one reason with two targets, huh?
>>
>> I don't think tht this is an entirely encompassing phenom, but I do see
>> it a lot. There are shows out there that depict men and women as equals,
>> etc. But a lot of what seems to be popular sit com stuff definately
>> seems to be making the men the patsies. I guess that is why I don't
>> watch much of it.

>
> I think it's been a staple of comedy for years and years. Watch "The
> Lady Eve" for a quick example. I don't put it down to anti-male
> bias, but the reverse. It's funny to see the top dog bumbling
> around. It's trickier to make fun of someone who isn't in the power
> position. Either they have to have redeeming attributes (Marilyn
> Monroe) or be so low on the totem pole that laughing at them is okay
> (Stepin Fetchit).
>
> Hugh


Some time now is right. Go see "Taming of the Shrew" by Shakespeare.
Heck, all of Shakespeare's plays have at least one utterly moronic
male.

Jason
 
Jason Earl <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Hugh Beyer <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Ryan Case <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> zoo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
>>>> television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about
>>>> other countries.)
>>>>
>>>> Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
>>>> retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
>>>> healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
>>>> pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.
>>>>
>>>> All gender jokes aside, we all know this isn't true. This is not what
>>>> I see in real life. So why are men portrayed this way? Is it
>>>> "payback" for our history of inequality? Is there a "war" against men
>>>> and boys?
>>>>
>>>> Men are probably responsible for the making of many of these
>>>> commercials, and paint their own gender in an unflattering light.
>>>> Why? Is it guilt?
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering how other people feel about it... and if they even
>>>> notice it as I do..
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have said something to the effect of this for a couple of years now.
>>> I have to disagree with you though on a minor point. There is an
>>> income level where this changes. As well as an age level. You don't
>>> see Mecedes commercials where the men are idiots. Instead you see
>>> successful 50 somethings with great arm trophies. (When the comm. is
>>> geared at men).
>>>
>>> What you do see are the men between 20 and 49 being represented as
>>> idiots. I think that the reason for this is prolly two fold. One, it
>>> allows the women to feel superior to the men. And two it allows the
>>> men in this age range to feel like they are better then the folks on
>>> the shows/commercials. That's really only one reason with two targets,
>>> huh?
>>>
>>> I don't think tht this is an entirely encompassing phenom, but I do
>>> see it a lot. There are shows out there that depict men and women as
>>> equals, etc. But a lot of what seems to be popular sit com stuff
>>> definately seems to be making the men the patsies. I guess that is why
>>> I don't watch much of it.

>>
>> I think it's been a staple of comedy for years and years. Watch "The
>> Lady Eve" for a quick example. I don't put it down to anti-male
>> bias, but the reverse. It's funny to see the top dog bumbling
>> around. It's trickier to make fun of someone who isn't in the power
>> position. Either they have to have redeeming attributes (Marilyn
>> Monroe) or be so low on the totem pole that laughing at them is okay
>> (Stepin Fetchit).
>>
>> Hugh

>
> Some time now is right. Go see "Taming of the Shrew" by Shakespeare.
> Heck, all of Shakespeare's plays have at least one utterly moronic
> male.
>
> Jason
>


Umm... I don't think the guy in Taming of the Shrew is moronic in the way
the OP meant.

Hugh


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In article <[email protected]>,
"zoo" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was wondering how people feel about how men are portrayed on
> television, particularly commercials (in America, not sure about other
> countries.)
>
> Have you noticed how men are almost always portayed as barely above
> retarded? Women are these wonderful, smart, sharp, attractive, thin,
> healthy people, and men are usually dumb, obnoxious, overweight,
> pathetic, etc... barely possessing the intelligence of a baboon.


Yup, that's most men in the world. Your point?

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well, even though my thoughts on this are slightly different to all ive
read so far, id say if youre only watching a limited number of tv shows
and muting all ads ur not exactly in a position to be giving an opinion
on something since obviously ur not exposed to it enough. its like
someone driving a car around a bit in a car park then saying sure i can
do nascar.