# Quick poll on journey preference

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Sky Fly, Apr 2, 2004.

1. ### Sky Fly Guest

Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of 10km. Both
places are at sea level. You have a choice of four routes:

Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
rest of the journey.

Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km,
and thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of
the journey.

Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and slopes
downwards for the rest of the journey.

Route 4 - flat all the way through.

Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns, scenery,
wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are all the
same. Which route would you pick?

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2. ### Bens Guest

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:29:46 +0100, "Sky Fly" <nobody@blackhole.com>
wrote:

>Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
>10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
>of four routes:
>
>Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
>kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
>rest of the journey.
>
>Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km,
>and thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of
>the journey.
>
>Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and slopes
>downwards for the rest of the journey.
>
>Route 4 - flat all the way through.
>
>Which route would you pick?

2 if I wanted a workout, 4 if I was feeling lazy.

However I normally seem to pick the ones that go down at
first and then go up at the end.
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3. ### Anonymous Cowar Guest

Sky Fly wrote:

> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> of four routes:
>
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.
>
> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
> journey.
>
> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.
>
> Route 4 - flat all the way through.
>
> Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns, scenery,
> wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are all the
> same. Which route would you pick?

Variety being the spice of life, all of them. But I wouldn't
pick 4 very often.

Variety being the spice of life, please ignore my reply,

AC

>
> --
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>
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4. ### Richard Bates Guest

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:41:03 +0100, in
<c4k1jr\$1rc\$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk>, anonymous coward
<anonymous.coward@nospam.nowhere> wrote:

>Sky Fly wrote:
>
>> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of 10km.
>> Both places are at sea level. You have a choice of four
>> routes:
>>
>> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
>> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
>> rest of the journey.
>>
>> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
>> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
>> journey.
>>
>> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
>> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.
>>
>> Route 4 - flat all the way through.
>>
>> Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns,
>> scenery, wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are
>> all the same. Which route would you pick?

1 to get there. 2 to get back.

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5. ### Richard Goodman Guest

"Sky Fly" <nobody@blackhole.com> wrote in message
news:c4k0vj\$2jir4o\$1@ID-18325.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> of four routes:
>
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.
>
> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
> journey.
>
> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.
>
> Route 4 - flat all the way through.
>
> Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns, scenery,
> wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are all the
> same. Which route would you pick?
>

For my commute, the one that was flat - I'd expect it to be
the quickest!

Rich

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6. ### Zog The Undenia Guest

Sky Fly wrote:

> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> of four routes:
>
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.
>
> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
> journey.
>
> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.
>
> Route 4 - flat all the way through.
>
> Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns, scenery,
> wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are all the
> same. Which route would you pick?

2, because I like screaming downhill.

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7. ### Simon Brooke Guest

in message <c4k0vj\$2jir4o\$1@ID-18325.news.uni-berlin.de>, Sky Fly
('nobody@blackhole.com') wrote:

> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> of four routes:
>
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.

A fall of eleven metres in the kilometre is neither here nor
there. This route makes no sense. If we're talking
singletrack, it might be fun, but it doesn't make sense.

> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
> journey.

Woo-hoo! Again, a rise of eleven metres in the kilometre is
scarcely noticable, but a fall of a hundred metres in a
kilometer can be fun. If all routes were singletrack and I
had a hill bike, this would be the one to choose.

> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.

Neither here not there. A bit slower than dead flat, but not
enough gradient to have any fun with.

> Route 4 - flat all the way through.

This is the one to choose for efficiency, and is the one I'd
choose if all routes were high quality tarmac and I had a
road bike.

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8. ### Dave @ Stejonda Guest

In message <c4k0vj\$2jir4o\$1@ID-18325.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Sky Fly <nobody@blackhole.com> writes
>Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
>10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
>of four routes:
>
>Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
>kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
>rest of the journey.

I like.
>
>Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km,
>and thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of
>the journey.

No - the worst for me.
>
>Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and slopes
>downwards for the rest of the journey.

No
>
>Route 4 - flat all the way through.

Ok.
>
>Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns, scenery,
>wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are all the
>same. Which route would you pick?
>

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country." Ram Dass

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9. ### Msa Guest

In article <m8imTACF5abAFAUg@stejonda.freeuk.com>,
NoSpamThanks@stejonda.freeuk.com says...
> >Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns,
> >scenery, wind, <insert name of journey variable here> are
> >all the same. Which route would you pick?
>

The bus route.

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10. ### Dirtylitterboxo Guest

>For my commute, the one that was flat - I'd expect it to be
>the quickest!
>
>Rich

Can I have a route that is downhill there and back please?

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11. ### Sky Fly Guest

"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message
news:4nl0k1-k0q.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> in message <633r609911qkfh1ugv0gtf97smiu9mtp7a@4ax.com>,
> Richard Bates ('usenet01@artybee.net') wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:41:03 +0100, in
> > <c4k1jr\$1rc\$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk>, anonymous coward
> > <anonymous.coward@nospam.nowhere> wrote:
> >
> >>Sky Fly wrote:
> >>
> >>> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> >>> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> >>> of four routes:
> >>>
> >>> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> >>> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for
> >>> the rest of the journey.
> >>>
> >>> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km,
> >>> and thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest
> >>> of the journey.
> >>>
> >>> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> >>> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.
> >>>
> >>> Route 4 - flat all the way through.
> >>>
> >>> Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns,
> >>> scenery, wind, <insert name of journey variable here>
> >>> are all the same. Which route would you pick?
> >
> > 1 to get there. 2 to get back.
>
> I think that's the worst choice. Two severe climbs
> followed by virtually flat roads - a fall of 1%, which
> isn't enough to notice.

Actually, this would be *my* route of choice as well. Get
all the hard work out of the way while you're feeling fresh,
and then enjoy the fruits of your labour over drawn out
period. I think 1% *is* noticeable - certainly, I find that
cycling down this gradient on some of my regular routes
means noticeably less work for me.

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12. ### Iain Jones Guest

"Sky Fly" <nobody@blackhole.com> wrote in news:c4k0vj\$2jir4o\$1@ID-
18325.news.uni-berlin.de:

> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> of four routes:
>
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.

(Does a quick gradient calculation ...) Could cope with
that. Short & steep.

>
> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
> journey.

Nooo. I don't like long rises. It doesn't look uphill but
your legs tell you it is. Descent could be fun though.
Unlike a few weeks back when I discovered I *really*,
**REALLY**, seriously needed new brake blocks.

>
> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.

This one could be my second choice behind route 1.

>
> Route 4 - flat all the way through.

Quiet scenic roads, maybe. Otherwise, too boring.

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13. ### Zog The Undenia Guest

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:

> Can I have a route that is downhill there and back please?

I always thought they should build a big downhill ramp from
Land's End to John O'Groats, and vice-versa. With a lift at
either end

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14. ### Davek Guest

> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.

This sounds a bit like a route I do quite often, except that
the first uphill bit is more like 2km and is somewhat
steeper - closer to 15%. I like
it. The first bit is difficult enough to be interesting, the
rest is gentle but not boring and though it's not much
of a slope it does increase your overall average speed
noticeably.

> Route 4 - flat all the way through.

Boring.

j.

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15. ### Nick Kew Guest

In article <c4k0vj\$2jir4o\$1@id-18325.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Sky Fly" <nobody@blackhole.com> writes:
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.

That's a profile I like. A short sharp uphill is fine (and
100m over 1km isn't really even sharp), and just-off-flat
makes a huge difference to how easy it is to pedal as-if on
the flat over most of the distance.

Contrast gentle uphill. One of the most gruelling
experiences of my life was the ride up from Cairns
(australia) to the tropical tablelands above it. A total
height gain between 800 and 900 metres, over a 19Km stretch
of road was quite a killer. Though perhaps that was in part
due to the tropical heat (which was a first time for me) and
a hired bike where I couldn't use the middle chainring.

More prosaically, from central Plymouth to the edge of
Dartmoor is about 200m height over maybe 10km through the
straggling northern suburbs. Southwards it is quick&easy,
while northwards is a slog.

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16. ### Dave Kahn Guest

Zog The Undeniable <hrothgar19@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<406d9e23.0@entanet>...

> 2, because I like screaming downhill.

Agreed. 2 every time.

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17. ### Martinm Guest

MSA <onyerbikemark@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<MPG.1ad7c9797aa1ed359896f5@News.Individual.NET>...
> In article <m8imTACF5abAFAUg@stejonda.freeuk.com>,
> NoSpamThanks@stejonda.freeuk.com says...
> > >Assume road surface, numbers of twists and turns,
> > >scenery, wind, <insert name of journey variable here>
> > >are all the same. Which route would you pick?

3 ;-)

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18. ### Andymorris Guest

Zog The Undeniable wrote:
> dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
>
>> Can I have a route that is downhill there and back
>> please?
>
> I always thought they should build a big downhill ramp
> from Land's End to John O'Groats, and vice-versa. With a
> lift at either end

I've often wondered if it would be possible to build long
tubes about 10 foot in diameter with a clever
arrangements of ducts and scoops at each end to ensure
that the wind inside always flowed in the direction you
wanted to go. You'd need another one for traffic going
the other way of course.

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19. ### Peter Clinch Guest

Sky Fly wrote:
> Say you have to get from Aye to Bee, a distance of
> 10km. Both places are at sea level. You have a choice
> of four routes:
>
> Route 1 - rises steeply to 100m asl for the first
> kilometre, and thereafter slopes gently downwards for the
> rest of the journey.
>
> Route 2 - rises gently to 100m asl for the first 9km, and
> thereafter slopes steeply downwards for the rest of the
> journey.
>
> Route 3 - rises to 100m for half of the journey, and
> slopes downwards for the rest of the journey.
>
> Route 4 - flat all the way through.

One of 1 through 4 according to how I felt when I set
out, which could be different. Or possibly Route 5,
which is 100km and has a rather major dog-leg, if I'm
not in a hurry...

Pete.
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20. ### Dave Kahn Guest

"AndyMorris" <AndyMorris@DeadSpam.com> wrote in message news:<c4ngiq\$v7d\$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...

> I've often wondered if it would be possible to build long
> tubes about 10 foot in diameter with a clever
> arrangements of ducts and scoops at each end to ensure
> that the wind inside always flowed in the direction you
> wanted to go. You'd need another one for traffic going
> the other way of course.

http://www.biketrans.com

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