Re: The answer to the relationship between body fat and diabetes?

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD, Dec 29, 2005.

  1. J. David Anderson wrote:
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/health/4563604.stm


    It is wiser to simply eat less:

    http://tinyurl.com/9fs96

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  2. dissident

    dissident Guest

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > J. David Anderson wrote:
    >
    >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/health/4563604.stm


    An example of spin. As far as I know there is no evidence
    that low insulin levels are the origin of Type II diabetes.
    Type II originates from the failure of insulin production
    after years of *hyperinsulinism*.

    This study demonstrates that fat has a therapeutic value for
    people with a genetic predisposition to Type II diabetes. It
    offers a way to control excessive insulin production and reduce
    insulin resistance (the cause of hyperinsulinism) without
    resorting to pharmaceuticals. Of course the "high" fat diet
    has to be accompanied by low sugar (aka starch) consumption.

    > It is wiser to simply eat less:


    For people with insulin resistance it isn't so simple. The
    composition of the food is of prime importance not just the
    calorie count. People who do not have this condition and who
    are unlikely to develop Type II diabetes should keep their
    high carb diet notions to themselves. The diet recommendations
    of the Diabetes Association are criminal. They do no service
    to the people that they claim to care about. Their ideas are
    based on flimsy interpretation of the evidence such as in this
    article.
     
  3. jbuch

    jbuch Guest

    dissident wrote:
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    >> J. David Anderson wrote:
    >>
    >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2/hi/health/4563604.stm

    >
    >
    > An example of spin. As far as I know there is no evidence
    > that low insulin levels are the origin of Type II diabetes.
    > Type II originates from the failure of insulin production
    > after years of *hyperinsulinism*.
    >
    > This study demonstrates that fat has a therapeutic value for
    > people with a genetic predisposition to Type II diabetes. It
    > offers a way to control excessive insulin production and reduce
    > insulin resistance (the cause of hyperinsulinism) without
    > resorting to pharmaceuticals. Of course the "high" fat diet
    > has to be accompanied by low sugar (aka starch) consumption.
    >
    >> It is wiser to simply eat less:

    >
    >
    > For people with insulin resistance it isn't so simple. The
    > composition of the food is of prime importance not just the
    > calorie count. People who do not have this condition and who
    > are unlikely to develop Type II diabetes should keep their
    > high carb diet notions to themselves. The diet recommendations
    > of the Diabetes Association are criminal. They do no service
    > to the people that they claim to care about. Their ideas are
    > based on flimsy interpretation of the evidence such as in this
    > article.



    When I read the article, I felt disjointed, as if there was something
    wrong but I couldn't put my finger on it.

    Thanks to the above, it is now clear.

    The researchers appear to make the claim that Type II Diabetes is a
    result of insufficient insulin generation .... and therefore anything
    that inhibits insulin generation causes Type II Diabetes.

    This is the *inccomplete* description of Type II, according to the
    American Diabetic Association .....

    And, of course, this use of an incomplete definition of the disorder is
    the SPIN which you Idissident) identified.



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    http://www.diabetes.org/type-2-diabetes.jsp

    Type 2 diabetes is the most common form of diabetes. In type 2 diabetes,
    *either* the body does not produce enough insulin or the cells ignore
    the insulin. Insulin is necessary for the body to be able to use sugar.
    Sugar is the basic fuel for the cells in the body, and insulin takes the
    sugar from the blood into the cells. When glucose builds up in the blood
    instead of going into cells, it can cause two problems:

    * Right away, your cells may be starved for energy.
    * Over time, high blood glucose levels may hurt your eyes, kidneys,
    nerves or heart.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    It seems that politics, religion and diet are all pertty fertile fields
    for SPIN as one attempts to convince others that your belief is
    true..... at any cost.




    --
    1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
    2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
    3) Don't Diet Without Supplimental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
    book
    4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)
     

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