Let me start by saying I am by no means a great rider. My rides are 30 miles tops. I know both of these bikes are both over my skill level, however I just love the looks of them. I haven't been able to ride either of the bikes since it's winter here. How are these bikes from a comfort level? I really want the Venge but am m a little concerned that it appears you in more of an aero position, is it not as comfortable? I'm also thinking of buying used since you can get a great deal, what are people's opinions on buying used?