Science study: WADA/Pound are a##clowns

[bobke]

Wow! What a surprise!
Like this is everything I have been posting here about Tyler etc and no one appears to take it seriously since folks here are so informed and high minded.
However read this study!


Problems At World Anti-Doping Agency Will 'Drive Innocent Athletes Out Of Sport'
The current approach of the international agency responsible for fighting the use of drugs in sport will drive innocent athletes out of the Olympic Games, according to an article in the new International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching edited by Dr Simon Jenkins from the University of Bath.

y (WADA) was set up in 1999 by the International Olympic Committee and publishes the list of banned substances and monitors drug use in sport through random tests.
In a review of some of the practices and procedures used by WADA, a leading sports scientist from the USA and a top marathon coach from the UK have identified major problems that they believe will lead to innocent athletes paying the price for a flawed anti-doping system.
Key to their finding was a lack of scientific evidence and protocol at the heart of WADA’s operations.
“Drug testing and classification should be a scientific affair, unfortunately WADA appears to have little to no understanding of the criteria for science,” said Dr Brent Rushall from San Diego State University, a four-time Olympic Team psychologist for Canada, who co-wrote the article with Max Jones, a multiple age-group world-record holding runner who has studied the drugs in sport movement.
“The actions and scope of WADA are causes for grave concern for the anti-drugs in sport movement. It is inevitable that if WADA continues its practices, professional athletes will be driven out of the Olympic Games.”
Problems identified by the authors include:
* Substances included in WADA’s banned list are based on speculation rather than scientific evidence
* WADA’s clandestine sample collection procedures appear to ignore basic scientific guidelines
* The way WADA lists banned substances does not conform to usual scientific practice, leading to confusion for coaches and athletes

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060217091705.htm

 

[bobke]

Wow! What a surprise!
Like this is everything I have been posting here about Tyler etc and no one appears to take it seriously since folks here are so informed and high minded.
However read this study!


Problems At World Anti-Doping Agency Will 'Drive Innocent Athletes Out Of Sport'
The current approach of the international agency responsible for fighting the use of drugs in sport will drive innocent athletes out of the Olympic Games, according to an article in the new International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching edited by Dr Simon Jenkins from the University of Bath.

y (WADA) was set up in 1999 by the International Olympic Committee and publishes the list of banned substances and monitors drug use in sport through random tests.
In a review of some of the practices and procedures used by WADA, a leading sports scientist from the USA and a top marathon coach from the UK have identified major problems that they believe will lead to innocent athletes paying the price for a flawed anti-doping system.
Key to their finding was a lack of scientific evidence and protocol at the heart of WADA’s operations.
“Drug testing and classification should be a scientific affair, unfortunately WADA appears to have little to no understanding of the criteria for science,” said Dr Brent Rushall from San Diego State University, a four-time Olympic Team psychologist for Canada, who co-wrote the article with Max Jones, a multiple age-group world-record holding runner who has studied the drugs in sport movement.
“The actions and scope of WADA are causes for grave concern for the anti-drugs in sport movement. It is inevitable that if WADA continues its practices, professional athletes will be driven out of the Olympic Games.”
Problems identified by the authors include:
* Substances included in WADA’s banned list are based on speculation rather than scientific evidence
* WADA’s clandestine sample collection procedures appear to ignore basic scientific guidelines
* The way WADA lists banned substances does not conform to usual scientific practice, leading to confusion for coaches and athletes

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060217091705.htm

Hmmm.
Interestin study.
Weird timing in that it came a couple a days after the Arbitrary Court of Sport slammed my man Tyler.
A thorough and smart indictment of what some of us have known was going down for a while.
Nice post. Fair dues to ya hombre.

FREE TYLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[whiteboytrash]

Just as well it was Spanish Cycling Federation and USADA which conducted the tests, enforced the bans and CAS which upheld the penalty. Also lucky that the UCI health tested Hamilton many times and warned him about his blood to protect him. If WADA was involved it could of all gone wrong like you stated....

Oh and why you're at it could you tell the writer of the article to tell the 20,000 patients a year who rely on this test and its science after a organ transplant that they will have to die because Tyler said it unreliable ! What a joke !

Oh and could you tell the 20 million women who have this test each year to detect maternal/foetal bleeding after giving birth to not use it because Tyler said its not a valid test.....

Finally could you also tell Tyler's unborn twin that the test is not valid because when Tyler was actually born his mother would of had the same test !

Wow! What a surprise!
Like this is everything I have been posting here about Tyler etc and no one appears to take it seriously since folks here are so informed and high minded.
However read this study!


Problems At World Anti-Doping Agency Will 'Drive Innocent Athletes Out Of Sport'
The current approach of the international agency responsible for fighting the use of drugs in sport will drive innocent athletes out of the Olympic Games, according to an article in the new International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching edited by Dr Simon Jenkins from the University of Bath.

y (WADA) was set up in 1999 by the International Olympic Committee and publishes the list of banned substances and monitors drug use in sport through random tests.
In a review of some of the practices and procedures used by WADA, a leading sports scientist from the USA and a top marathon coach from the UK have identified major problems that they believe will lead to innocent athletes paying the price for a flawed anti-doping system.
Key to their finding was a lack of scientific evidence and protocol at the heart of WADA’s operations.
“Drug testing and classification should be a scientific affair, unfortunately WADA appears to have little to no understanding of the criteria for science,” said Dr Brent Rushall from San Diego State University, a four-time Olympic Team psychologist for Canada, who co-wrote the article with Max Jones, a multiple age-group world-record holding runner who has studied the drugs in sport movement.
“The actions and scope of WADA are causes for grave concern for the anti-drugs in sport movement. It is inevitable that if WADA continues its practices, professional athletes will be driven out of the Olympic Games.”
Problems identified by the authors include:
* Substances included in WADA’s banned list are based on speculation rather than scientific evidence
* WADA’s clandestine sample collection procedures appear to ignore basic scientific guidelines
* The way WADA lists banned substances does not conform to usual scientific practice, leading to confusion for coaches and athletes

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060217091705.htm

 

[patch70]

Nice post. Fair dues to ya hombre.

Talking to yourself again. That is a very worrying sign bobke/hombre.

 

[patch70]

Wow! What a surprise!<snip>

Science study???
The International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching. Hmmm, what is the impact factor there?
A series of quotes from coaches or other non-objective people does not make a "science study". It is just a series of opinions and you could very easily muster up a whole lot of experts to give opinions to the contrary.

 

[bobke]

Science study???
The International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching. Hmmm, what is the impact factor there?
A series of quotes from coaches or other non-objective people does not make a "science study". It is just a series of opinions and you could very easily muster up a whole lot of experts to give opinions to the contrary.

Have you read the original article?

 

[whiteboytrash]

Have you read the original article?

It appears that you haven’t…..

It’s actually an interesting article: http://www.multi-science.co.uk/sports_science_1-1.pdf


Also interesting that the journal is being published at the time that the author (Dr Brent Rushal) is setting up is own consultancy and selling his services but that’s beside the point.

The thrust of the article is that there are many substances on the banned list which are not actually performance enhancing. He raises the theory that many anabolic steroids are performance enhancing to women but not men and therefore should be freely available to males athletes to use ! This he claims is the "lack of science" that WADA use in generating the substance on the banned list. He believes that many of these substances should be available for use as they don’t provide performance enhancement. His source is former medical records from the East German sporting regime. (studies which are almost 25 years old):

· “Seven of twelve studies investigating the effects of anabolic steroid use on strength
· Reported a significant increase between experimental and control groups.
· No experiments that considered endurance reported any ergogenic effects for that type of performance.
· Four of ten studies investigating body weight gain reported significant increases.
· Of studies assessing strength changes in animals, none reported any increase.”


He went on to say that when THG was discovered by a needle been sent from an anonymous source from BALCO that WADA should of spent time studying it and whether to see if it is actually performance enhancing rather than putting it straight onto the banned list. As we know now several US athletes were using THG and they would not of been banned if THG was not on the banned list ! Rushell is a brave man ! He called this “hearsay” rather than scientific fact.

The article does mention the Tyler Hamilton test from Athens stating that the IOC who funds WADA had to admit that accidentally froze Tyler B sample and therefore rendered the test invalid - which proves WADA makes mistakes in testing of samples. Unfortunately Rushall fails to mention that Tyler was busted one month later in the Vuelta for the same test and warned several times of blood irregularities previous to both tests. WADA, the UCI and the IOC got there man in the end because drug testing works and Tyler is a cheat and cheats don’t stop cheating. Its an addiction they can’t help themselves. Rushells fails to site any other “factual” evidence of WADA mishandling samples.

You boys are clutching at straws…. Let it go…

 

[limerickman]

Wow! What a surprise!
Like this is everything I have been posting here about Tyler etc and no one appears to take it seriously since folks here are so informed and high minded.
However read this study!


Problems At World Anti-Doping Agency Will 'Drive Innocent Athletes Out Of Sport'
The current approach of the international agency responsible for fighting the use of drugs in sport will drive innocent athletes out of the Olympic Games, according to an article in the new International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching edited by Dr Simon Jenkins from the University of Bath.

y (WADA) was set up in 1999 by the International Olympic Committee and publishes the list of banned substances and monitors drug use in sport through random tests.
In a review of some of the practices and procedures used by WADA, a leading sports scientist from the USA and a top marathon coach from the UK have identified major problems that they believe will lead to innocent athletes paying the price for a flawed anti-doping system.
Key to their finding was a lack of scientific evidence and protocol at the heart of WADA’s operations.
“Drug testing and classification should be a scientific affair, unfortunately WADA appears to have little to no understanding of the criteria for science,” said Dr Brent Rushall from San Diego State University, a four-time Olympic Team psychologist for Canada, who co-wrote the article with Max Jones, a multiple age-group world-record holding runner who has studied the drugs in sport movement.
“The actions and scope of WADA are causes for grave concern for the anti-drugs in sport movement. It is inevitable that if WADA continues its practices, professional athletes will be driven out of the Olympic Games.”
Problems identified by the authors include:
* Substances included in WADA’s banned list are based on speculation rather than scientific evidence
* WADA’s clandestine sample collection procedures appear to ignore basic scientific guidelines
* The way WADA lists banned substances does not conform to usual scientific practice, leading to confusion for coaches and athletes

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060217091705.htm

Hamilton was found guilty.

In reading most of your posts - one would get the distinct impression that you support doping.

 

[bobke]

Hamilton was found guilty.

In reading most of your posts - one would get the distinct impression that you support doping.

Hamilton was found guilty by a flawed test, flawed system and flawed personalities like **** Pound.
We'll never agree so all should just move on.

But I did post the article as evidence that as far as WADA and **** Pound, it only takes one voice crying out that the emperor has no clothes, but hopefully this is the beginning of the end of his fascist techniques.

 

[limerickman]

Hamilton was found guilty by a flawed test, flawed system and flawed personalities like **** Pound.
We'll never agree so all should just move on.

But I did post the article as evidence that as far as WADA and **** Pound, it only takes one voice crying out that the emperor has no clothes, but hopefully this is the beginning of the end of his fascist techniques.

The testing wasn't flawed.
The system wasn't flawed.
Nor was the result flawed.

The fact of the matter is that Hamilton was guilty.
And you and your namesake refuse to acknowledge the truth of the result.

I agree - we ought to move on.
So maybe you and your name would do so too.

 

[patch70]

Have you read the original article?

There are also many articles supporting the science behind testing. Why don't you post those too?

 

[mitosis]

Wow! What a surprise!
Like this is everything I have been posting here about Tyler etc and no one appears to take it seriously since folks here are so informed and high minded.
However read this study!


Problems At World Anti-Doping Agency Will 'Drive Innocent Athletes Out Of Sport'
The current approach of the international agency responsible for fighting the use of drugs in sport will drive innocent athletes out of the Olympic Games, according to an article in the new International Journal of Sports Science and Coaching edited by Dr Simon Jenkins from the University of Bath.

y (WADA) was set up in 1999 by the International Olympic Committee and publishes the list of banned substances and monitors drug use in sport through random tests.
In a review of some of the practices and procedures used by WADA, a leading sports scientist from the USA and a top marathon coach from the UK have identified major problems that they believe will lead to innocent athletes paying the price for a flawed anti-doping system.
Key to their finding was a lack of scientific evidence and protocol at the heart of WADA’s operations.
“Drug testing and classification should be a scientific affair, unfortunately WADA appears to have little to no understanding of the criteria for science,” said Dr Brent Rushall from San Diego State University, a four-time Olympic Team psychologist for Canada, who co-wrote the article with Max Jones, a multiple age-group world-record holding runner who has studied the drugs in sport movement.
“The actions and scope of WADA are causes for grave concern for the anti-drugs in sport movement. It is inevitable that if WADA continues its practices, professional athletes will be driven out of the Olympic Games.”
Problems identified by the authors include:
* Substances included in WADA’s banned list are based on speculation rather than scientific evidence
* WADA’s clandestine sample collection procedures appear to ignore basic scientific guidelines
* The way WADA lists banned substances does not conform to usual scientific practice, leading to confusion for coaches and athletes

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/02/060217091705.htm

Sounds like someone with a barrow to push.

There was no criticism of the validity of the actual tests.

 

[bobke]

There are also many articles supporting the science behind testing. Why don't you post those too?

That would be too obvious. and boring.
Patch, are you Ashenden or one of his paid monkeys?
give it up dude.

more on the stupidity of WADA:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136485/?nav=tap3

The test was flawed, and you guys just cant accept it.
Geez.

FREE TYLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[limerickman]

That would be too obvious. and boring.
Patch, are you Ashenden or one of his paid monkeys?
give it up dude.

more on the stupidity of WADA:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136485/?nav=tap3

The test was flawed, and you guys just cant accept it.
Geez.

FREE TYLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's you that cannot accept that your man was given the benefit of due process and found guilty of doping.

 

[micron]

Gosh, flow cytometry is deeply flawed! Tell that to the thousands of hospitals around the world who rely on it in life or death situations daily.

The US must be an even more backward place than the rest of the world thought if they're ignoring this important test because it caught out a US rider....

 

[patch70]

Patch, are you Ashenden or one of his paid monkeys?

No, I am just someone who has not lost touch with reality and who does not suffer from an unnatural obsession with a sportsman who cheats. It's over bobke. Find a new love. Tyler prefers dogs anyway.

 

[bobke]

No, I am just someone who has not lost touch with reality and who does not suffer from an unnatural obsession with a sportsman who cheats. It's over bobke. Find a new love. Tyler prefers dogs anyway.

here's another banana for you from cyclingnews.com from your neck of the woods


Hondo defends suspended biathlete

Russian biathlete Olga Pyleva was stripped of her silver medal, thrown out of the winter Olympics and banned for two years, because she was found to have tested positive for Carphedon, a name unfortunately familiar to cycling fans. Sprinter Danilo Hondo, also suspended because of testing positive for the drug, has issued an emotional statement in support of Pyleva. Hondo blames the World Anti-Doping Authority itself for Pyleva's positive, saying the case, "could have been prevented, if the WADA would really fulfil its role in the fight against doping."

According to Hondo, "there is no drug with the name Carphedon. It would be more appropriate to say the chemical formula 4-Phenylpiracetam or the Russian product name Phenotropil." In the ruling on his case, Hondo says the Court of Arbitration for Sport, "URGENTLY told the WADA to correct the doping list in order to eliminate uncertainty and confusion -- but the WADA didn't feel this was necessary, even though they are interested in protecting athletes!"

Hondo also criticised the speed and manner in which Pyleva's case was conducted, saying, "The athlete is made responsible for everything. He has no more rights, the anti-doping organisations don't make any mistakes -- all in the interest of the Olympic spirit."

 

[patch70]

Hondo defends suspended biathlete

Yet another source who is completely non-objective.

 

[micron]

Hmm, if Hondo's statement is correct then I find Pykeva's actions problematic - she issued an immediate apology to her country, teamamates and fans for her wrongdoing and promptly retired.

If what Hondo says is true then she had ample ammunition to fight...

 

[whiteboytrash]

Hmm, if Hondo's statement is correct then I find Pykeva's actions problematic - she issued an immediate apology to her country, teamamates and fans for her wrongdoing and promptly retired.

If what Hondo says is true then she had ample ammunition to fight...

Hondo has an axe to grind... he appealed his one year suspension and ended up getting two years ! stitched ! However I have to agree with him... he got pinned for a drug that’s on the list which is not a drug but a chemical found in other drugs...

Therefore hard to tell if you are taking it or not.... he also raises the pertinent point that the chemical has different names in different countries and WADA's list only has the English name.... all fair argument me thinks... the report which this thread is based on also raises the point that there is no link between what is on the banned list and what is actually performance enhancing... in Pykeva's and Hondo's case there is little evidence that the drug is actually performance enhancing.... so why be banned if you got no advantage ? By way of course Hondo hopes to be riding in April whilst he takes his case to the Swiss courts and has been training with Ullrich and Kloden in South Africa.



This is of course in stark contrast to the Tyler case in which he didn’t take any drugs but transfused someone else’s blood into his system. This is an exact science. Easy to test and an open and shut case. No issues on this one.