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Daremo
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First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
realistic about things.
OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
--
He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
realistic about things.
OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
--
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Michael
Guest
"Daremo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>
> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
It's early, yes, but now he has to start thinking about where he's going to
pick that back up because he knows he may lose a few more seconds in
the TTT.
The race isn't over, obviously, but as I said, this is not how Ullrich wanted
to start.
M.
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> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>
> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
It's early, yes, but now he has to start thinking about where he's going to
pick that back up because he knows he may lose a few more seconds in
the TTT.
The race isn't over, obviously, but as I said, this is not how Ullrich wanted
to start.
M.
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Richard Adams
Guest
Michael wrote:
> That's not the way he wants to start this race.
>
> Mike
>
>
not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
> That's not the way he wants to start this race.
>
> Mike
>
>
not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
R
Richard Adams
Guest
Daremo wrote:
> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>
> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>
> People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
> realistic about things.
>
> OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
>
> But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
> with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
As I've said before, that's time Jan has to make up. He'd be much
better off if it were 2 or 3 seconds. This cushion is like money in the
bank to Lance, as last year there was a crash that held him up and
something like that happening again would be harrowing if he didn't have
that time. It's nice to have, it's a drag if you have to make it up and
then pile more time into your opponenet, where you'd like to be more even.
> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>
> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>
> People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
> realistic about things.
>
> OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
>
> But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
> with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
As I've said before, that's time Jan has to make up. He'd be much
better off if it were 2 or 3 seconds. This cushion is like money in the
bank to Lance, as last year there was a crash that held him up and
something like that happening again would be harrowing if he didn't have
that time. It's nice to have, it's a drag if you have to make it up and
then pile more time into your opponenet, where you'd like to be more even.
C
curt
Guest
"Daremo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>
> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>
> People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
> realistic about things.
>
> OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
>
> But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
> with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
Agreed. How silly to say that this is a big deal for Jan. It is nothing and
the race is young to say the least.
Curt
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> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>
> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>
> People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
> realistic about things.
>
> OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
>
> But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
> with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
Agreed. How silly to say that this is a big deal for Jan. It is nothing and
the race is young to say the least.
Curt
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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
> not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
> where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
> allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
> wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
> it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
Yes, 2001. That will not be allowed to happen again. I was there; we had a
dinner that night with one of the team support guys. They were most
definitely not comfortable with what had gone on; in hindsight they regarded
it as a serious tactical error. The problem is that sometimes, not too
often but sometimes, the jersey makes the man. I believe there was some
(although slight) fear that Simon might ride better than he was capable of;
O'Grady wasn't considered such a big issue by the team, if I recall
correctly. However, in looking at my notes, it appears that we
(spectators/those who don't know any better) were more concerned about
O'Grady, because he was someone we knew something about.
Seems so long ago, and yet it really wasn't. Just 4 years.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
> allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
> wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
> it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
Yes, 2001. That will not be allowed to happen again. I was there; we had a
dinner that night with one of the team support guys. They were most
definitely not comfortable with what had gone on; in hindsight they regarded
it as a serious tactical error. The problem is that sometimes, not too
often but sometimes, the jersey makes the man. I believe there was some
(although slight) fear that Simon might ride better than he was capable of;
O'Grady wasn't considered such a big issue by the team, if I recall
correctly. However, in looking at my notes, it appears that we
(spectators/those who don't know any better) were more concerned about
O'Grady, because he was someone we knew something about.
Seems so long ago, and yet it really wasn't. Just 4 years.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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psycholist
Guest
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
> > where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
> > allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
> > wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
> > it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
>
> Yes, 2001. That will not be allowed to happen again. I was there; we had
a
> dinner that night with one of the team support guys. They were most
> definitely not comfortable with what had gone on; in hindsight they
regarded
> it as a serious tactical error. The problem is that sometimes, not too
> often but sometimes, the jersey makes the man. I believe there was some
> (although slight) fear that Simon might ride better than he was capable
of;
> O'Grady wasn't considered such a big issue by the team, if I recall
> correctly. However, in looking at my notes, it appears that we
> (spectators/those who don't know any better) were more concerned about
> O'Grady, because he was someone we knew something about.
>
> Seems so long ago, and yet it really wasn't. Just 4 years.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
You didn't mention the late Kivelev. Wasn't he in that huge break and
wasn't he the last one to yield his advantage? I'm asking 'cuz I don't
exactly recall. I seem to recall him being a threat well into the race ...
longer even than Simon.
Bob C.
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> > not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
> > where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
> > allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
> > wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
> > it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
>
> Yes, 2001. That will not be allowed to happen again. I was there; we had
a
> dinner that night with one of the team support guys. They were most
> definitely not comfortable with what had gone on; in hindsight they
regarded
> it as a serious tactical error. The problem is that sometimes, not too
> often but sometimes, the jersey makes the man. I believe there was some
> (although slight) fear that Simon might ride better than he was capable
of;
> O'Grady wasn't considered such a big issue by the team, if I recall
> correctly. However, in looking at my notes, it appears that we
> (spectators/those who don't know any better) were more concerned about
> O'Grady, because he was someone we knew something about.
>
> Seems so long ago, and yet it really wasn't. Just 4 years.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
You didn't mention the late Kivelev. Wasn't he in that huge break and
wasn't he the last one to yield his advantage? I'm asking 'cuz I don't
exactly recall. I seem to recall him being a threat well into the race ...
longer even than Simon.
Bob C.
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fstrnu
Guest
You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan. He
will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's all
over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
"Richard Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael wrote:
>
> > That's not the way he wants to start this race.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
> not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
> where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
> allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
> wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
> it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
>
>
will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's all
over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
"Richard Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael wrote:
>
> > That's not the way he wants to start this race.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
> not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
> where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
> allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
> wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
> it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
>
>
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Chris
Guest
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Daremo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
> >
> > He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> > with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>
> It's early, yes, but now he has to start thinking about where he's going
to
> pick that back up because he knows he may lose a few more seconds in
> the TTT.
>
> The race isn't over, obviously, but as I said, this is not how Ullrich
wanted
> to start.
>
> M.
Actually, it is precisely how he wants to start. I am sure he wishes Lance
approached it the same way...Jan claims he put safety at the top of his
priority list. Ullrich has not had a lot of bad falls in his career but he
did lose plenty of racing after at least one tumble and this boy knows what
he is doing considering his record here at the Tour, having never finished
lower than second. Another point is that he often lost to riders he beat in
the prolog so he knows precisely how important it is or isn't.
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Daremo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
> >
> > He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
> > with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>
> It's early, yes, but now he has to start thinking about where he's going
to
> pick that back up because he knows he may lose a few more seconds in
> the TTT.
>
> The race isn't over, obviously, but as I said, this is not how Ullrich
wanted
> to start.
>
> M.
Actually, it is precisely how he wants to start. I am sure he wishes Lance
approached it the same way...Jan claims he put safety at the top of his
priority list. Ullrich has not had a lot of bad falls in his career but he
did lose plenty of racing after at least one tumble and this boy knows what
he is doing considering his record here at the Tour, having never finished
lower than second. Another point is that he often lost to riders he beat in
the prolog so he knows precisely how important it is or isn't.
C
Chris
Guest
"fstrnu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_%%Fc.23271$a24.22076@attbi_s03...
> You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan. He
> will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
> draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's all
> over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
LOL. Look at how many times Ullrich has been beaten (by one place on GC!!!)
by riders he beat in the prolog. Maybe he considers it a jinx to beat a
favored rider. In 1998 when Ullrich was defending his '97 win he was beaten
by Pantani, who was 181st out of 189 riders and 48 seconds back after the
prolog. Ullrich was 6th in the prolog that year and beat everyone in the
race but Pantani.
The prolog is an early indicator of form. Most agree that this Tour will be
won by the contender who hits form in the third week. Both LA and Jan had
said that they wanted to arrive at this year's Tour a little under their
peak. It looks like Jan did just that and got through the prolog as he
expected.
news:_%%Fc.23271$a24.22076@attbi_s03...
> You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan. He
> will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
> draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's all
> over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
LOL. Look at how many times Ullrich has been beaten (by one place on GC!!!)
by riders he beat in the prolog. Maybe he considers it a jinx to beat a
favored rider. In 1998 when Ullrich was defending his '97 win he was beaten
by Pantani, who was 181st out of 189 riders and 48 seconds back after the
prolog. Ullrich was 6th in the prolog that year and beat everyone in the
race but Pantani.
The prolog is an early indicator of form. Most agree that this Tour will be
won by the contender who hits form in the third week. Both LA and Jan had
said that they wanted to arrive at this year's Tour a little under their
peak. It looks like Jan did just that and got through the prolog as he
expected.
A
AMG
Guest
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 18:00:23 -0400, Richard Adams wrote:
> Daremo wrote:
>
>> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>>
>> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
>> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>>
>> People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
>> realistic about things.
>>
>> OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
>>
>> But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
>> with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
>
>
> As I've said before, that's time Jan has to make up. He'd be much
> better off if it were 2 or 3 seconds. This cushion is like money in the
> bank to Lance, as last year there was a crash that held him up and
> something like that happening again would be harrowing if he didn't have
> that time. It's nice to have, it's a drag if you have to make it up and
> then pile more time into your opponenet, where you'd like to be more even.
Fifteen seconds is one quarter of the winning margin from last year, and
IMHO, is not to be sneered at. Both LA and Jan pretend otherwise, and, as
Lance is fond of saying, "anything can happen..." But I'm sure he is happy
to have banked the time. Plus, putting 15 s into Ullrich (and more into
the other contenders) is bound to have a demoralizing effect, even if
slight; this will counteract to some degree the blood-in-the-water
feeding tendencies that LA's seemingly weak performance last year might
have encouraged... Psychological warfare.
--AMG
> Daremo wrote:
>
>> First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
>>
>> He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time trial,
>> with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
>>
>> People trying to make a huge deal out of the prologue, need to get
>> realistic about things.
>>
>> OK, if he loses the whole GC by 16 seconds, then it would be important.
>>
>> But my prediction is, whomever wins this whole shabang is going to do it
>> with a 3-5 minute blowout of the opponents, not seconds like last year.
>
>
> As I've said before, that's time Jan has to make up. He'd be much
> better off if it were 2 or 3 seconds. This cushion is like money in the
> bank to Lance, as last year there was a crash that held him up and
> something like that happening again would be harrowing if he didn't have
> that time. It's nice to have, it's a drag if you have to make it up and
> then pile more time into your opponenet, where you'd like to be more even.
Fifteen seconds is one quarter of the winning margin from last year, and
IMHO, is not to be sneered at. Both LA and Jan pretend otherwise, and, as
Lance is fond of saying, "anything can happen..." But I'm sure he is happy
to have banked the time. Plus, putting 15 s into Ullrich (and more into
the other contenders) is bound to have a demoralizing effect, even if
slight; this will counteract to some degree the blood-in-the-water
feeding tendencies that LA's seemingly weak performance last year might
have encouraged... Psychological warfare.
--AMG
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fstrnu
Guest
Agreed. Jan knows exactly how to make 2nd! ROFL...
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Daremo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
> > >
> > > He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time
trial,
> > > with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
> >
> > It's early, yes, but now he has to start thinking about where he's going
> to
> > pick that back up because he knows he may lose a few more seconds in
> > the TTT.
> >
> > The race isn't over, obviously, but as I said, this is not how Ullrich
> wanted
> > to start.
> >
> > M.
>
> Actually, it is precisely how he wants to start. I am sure he wishes Lance
> approached it the same way...Jan claims he put safety at the top of his
> priority list. Ullrich has not had a lot of bad falls in his career but he
> did lose plenty of racing after at least one tumble and this boy knows
what
> he is doing considering his record here at the Tour, having never finished
> lower than second. Another point is that he often lost to riders he beat
in
> the prolog so he knows precisely how important it is or isn't.
>
>
>
>
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Daremo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > First stage ......... gimme a break ..........
> > >
> > > He's only 16 back of Armstrong based on a whopping 3.8 mile time
trial,
> > > with light mist in certain areas and some sharp turns.
> >
> > It's early, yes, but now he has to start thinking about where he's going
> to
> > pick that back up because he knows he may lose a few more seconds in
> > the TTT.
> >
> > The race isn't over, obviously, but as I said, this is not how Ullrich
> wanted
> > to start.
> >
> > M.
>
> Actually, it is precisely how he wants to start. I am sure he wishes Lance
> approached it the same way...Jan claims he put safety at the top of his
> priority list. Ullrich has not had a lot of bad falls in his career but he
> did lose plenty of racing after at least one tumble and this boy knows
what
> he is doing considering his record here at the Tour, having never finished
> lower than second. Another point is that he often lost to riders he beat
in
> the prolog so he knows precisely how important it is or isn't.
>
>
>
>
F
fstrnu
Guest
Agreed. If anything, Jan can prove that he knows how to lose. You can't
predict Lance's future based on Jan's past. If anything, this supports that
he's washed up. It's over. Don't murder the messenger. I'm happy he won,
but would have preferred at least some thrill beforehand. Bummed out, for
sure...
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "fstrnu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_%%Fc.23271$a24.22076@attbi_s03...
> > You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan.
He
> > will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
> > draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's
all
> > over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
>
> LOL. Look at how many times Ullrich has been beaten (by one place on
GC!!!)
> by riders he beat in the prolog. Maybe he considers it a jinx to beat a
> favored rider. In 1998 when Ullrich was defending his '97 win he was
beaten
> by Pantani, who was 181st out of 189 riders and 48 seconds back after the
> prolog. Ullrich was 6th in the prolog that year and beat everyone in the
> race but Pantani.
>
> The prolog is an early indicator of form. Most agree that this Tour will
be
> won by the contender who hits form in the third week. Both LA and Jan had
> said that they wanted to arrive at this year's Tour a little under their
> peak. It looks like Jan did just that and got through the prolog as he
> expected.
>
>
>
>
predict Lance's future based on Jan's past. If anything, this supports that
he's washed up. It's over. Don't murder the messenger. I'm happy he won,
but would have preferred at least some thrill beforehand. Bummed out, for
sure...
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "fstrnu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_%%Fc.23271$a24.22076@attbi_s03...
> > You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan.
He
> > will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
> > draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's
all
> > over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
>
> LOL. Look at how many times Ullrich has been beaten (by one place on
GC!!!)
> by riders he beat in the prolog. Maybe he considers it a jinx to beat a
> favored rider. In 1998 when Ullrich was defending his '97 win he was
beaten
> by Pantani, who was 181st out of 189 riders and 48 seconds back after the
> prolog. Ullrich was 6th in the prolog that year and beat everyone in the
> race but Pantani.
>
> The prolog is an early indicator of form. Most agree that this Tour will
be
> won by the contender who hits form in the third week. Both LA and Jan had
> said that they wanted to arrive at this year's Tour a little under their
> peak. It looks like Jan did just that and got through the prolog as he
> expected.
>
>
>
>
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Mike Jacoubowsky
Guest
> Fifteen seconds is one quarter of the winning margin from last year, and
> IMHO, is not to be sneered at. Both LA and Jan pretend otherwise, and, as
> Lance is fond of saying, "anything can happen..."
I have no doubt that Lance sees "15 seconds" as something more than
symbolic. We've even seen him contest a few sprints lately... there may be
times those finishing bonuses could be a very handy thing to have.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> IMHO, is not to be sneered at. Both LA and Jan pretend otherwise, and, as
> Lance is fond of saying, "anything can happen..."
I have no doubt that Lance sees "15 seconds" as something more than
symbolic. We've even seen him contest a few sprints lately... there may be
times those finishing bonuses could be a very handy thing to have.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
M
Michael
Guest
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Fifteen seconds is one quarter of the winning margin from last year, and
> > IMHO, is not to be sneered at. Both LA and Jan pretend otherwise, and, as
> > Lance is fond of saying, "anything can happen..."
>
> I have no doubt that Lance sees "15 seconds" as something more than
> symbolic. We've even seen him contest a few sprints lately... there may be
> times those finishing bonuses could be a very handy thing to have.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
That's right. It's early and it's 25 seconds. But Ullrich is going to have to wonder
about how this race is going to shape up.
Where else can he make it up? Historically, the only place he has beaten
Armstrong is in the TTs, and only once. Last year, in the second TT, he
took a minute from Armstrong, but not in the final TT, and not in this
Prologue TT. He'll look to have a little better luck in a longer TT.
Team TT? No chance. He'll lose a little time.
The mountain stages? Of course, some time, Armstrong is going to crack
in the mountains. It may happen this year, but his training shows that is
highly unlikely. He's in terrific shape and has enormous confidence. Ullrich
has no history of leaving Armstrong behind in the mountains.
Yes, it's way early, but for Ullrich, 25 seconds looms large.
Mike
news:[email protected]...
> > Fifteen seconds is one quarter of the winning margin from last year, and
> > IMHO, is not to be sneered at. Both LA and Jan pretend otherwise, and, as
> > Lance is fond of saying, "anything can happen..."
>
> I have no doubt that Lance sees "15 seconds" as something more than
> symbolic. We've even seen him contest a few sprints lately... there may be
> times those finishing bonuses could be a very handy thing to have.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
That's right. It's early and it's 25 seconds. But Ullrich is going to have to wonder
about how this race is going to shape up.
Where else can he make it up? Historically, the only place he has beaten
Armstrong is in the TTs, and only once. Last year, in the second TT, he
took a minute from Armstrong, but not in the final TT, and not in this
Prologue TT. He'll look to have a little better luck in a longer TT.
Team TT? No chance. He'll lose a little time.
The mountain stages? Of course, some time, Armstrong is going to crack
in the mountains. It may happen this year, but his training shows that is
highly unlikely. He's in terrific shape and has enormous confidence. Ullrich
has no history of leaving Armstrong behind in the mountains.
Yes, it's way early, but for Ullrich, 25 seconds looms large.
Mike
D
Dave H
Guest
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's not the way he wants to start this race.
>
> Mike
how the hell do you know how he wants to race?
Dave
news:[email protected]...
> That's not the way he wants to start this race.
>
> Mike
how the hell do you know how he wants to race?
Dave
D
Dave H
Guest
"fstrnu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:_%%Fc.23271$a24.22076@attbi_s03...
> You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan. He
> will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
> draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's all
> over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
dude, go smoke some more crack
Dave
news:_%%Fc.23271$a24.22076@attbi_s03...
> You guys are all missing the boat. Those seconds put pressure on Jan. He
> will have to make a move and Armstrong can just recline on his bike and
> draft all the way up the climbs. Short of a crash by Armstrong, it's all
> over now. Sucks that it's over so soon.
dude, go smoke some more crack
Dave
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Richard Adams
Guest
psycholist wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_E%[email protected]...
>
>>>not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
>>>where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
>>>allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
>>>wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
>>>it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
>>
>>Yes, 2001. That will not be allowed to happen again. I was there; we had
>
> a
>
>>dinner that night with one of the team support guys. They were most
>>definitely not comfortable with what had gone on; in hindsight they
>
> regarded
>
>>it as a serious tactical error. The problem is that sometimes, not too
>>often but sometimes, the jersey makes the man. I believe there was some
>>(although slight) fear that Simon might ride better than he was capable
>
> of;
>
>>O'Grady wasn't considered such a big issue by the team, if I recall
>>correctly. However, in looking at my notes, it appears that we
>>(spectators/those who don't know any better) were more concerned about
>>O'Grady, because he was someone we knew something about.
>>
>>Seems so long ago, and yet it really wasn't. Just 4 years.
>>
>>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>
>
> You didn't mention the late Kivelev. Wasn't he in that huge break and
> wasn't he the last one to yield his advantage? I'm asking 'cuz I don't
> exactly recall. I seem to recall him being a threat well into the race ...
> longer even than Simon.
>
> Bob C.
>
>
Kivilev finished with a good placing, but it wasn't he who relieved
Simon of the Maillot Jaune. Dangerous to let a ringer go like that,
however.
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_E%[email protected]...
>
>>>not 25 down from his main competition, however. What year was it, 2001?
>>>where several riders had a 35 minute gap on the peleton and were just
>>>allowed to get away? Resulted in Stuart O'Grady, then Francios Simon
>>>wearing the Maillot Jaune for quite a while, until Lance finally ripped
>>>it off Francois' tired ol' body in the Pyrenees.
>>
>>Yes, 2001. That will not be allowed to happen again. I was there; we had
>
> a
>
>>dinner that night with one of the team support guys. They were most
>>definitely not comfortable with what had gone on; in hindsight they
>
> regarded
>
>>it as a serious tactical error. The problem is that sometimes, not too
>>often but sometimes, the jersey makes the man. I believe there was some
>>(although slight) fear that Simon might ride better than he was capable
>
> of;
>
>>O'Grady wasn't considered such a big issue by the team, if I recall
>>correctly. However, in looking at my notes, it appears that we
>>(spectators/those who don't know any better) were more concerned about
>>O'Grady, because he was someone we knew something about.
>>
>>Seems so long ago, and yet it really wasn't. Just 4 years.
>>
>>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>
>
> You didn't mention the late Kivelev. Wasn't he in that huge break and
> wasn't he the last one to yield his advantage? I'm asking 'cuz I don't
> exactly recall. I seem to recall him being a threat well into the race ...
> longer even than Simon.
>
> Bob C.
>
>
Kivilev finished with a good placing, but it wasn't he who relieved
Simon of the Maillot Jaune. Dangerous to let a ringer go like that,
however.
P
Pistof
Guest
If you know so much, why don't you call the poor inexperienced Ullrich up
and give him some tips?
Jan is doing just dandy.
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's not the way he wants to start this race.
>
> Mike
>
>
and give him some tips?
Jan is doing just dandy.
"Michael" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's not the way he wants to start this race.
>
> Mike
>
>
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