Eggs protected from breakage by the use of 'polystyrene helmet'. - Page 2

"\(t'other\) Dave" <no-one@nowhere.org> wrote in news:noGGc.45738$HQ1.40543
@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

> Please feel free to come to the supermarkets round these
> 'ere parts...someone forgot to mention it to certain
> individuals hereabouts...
>:-(
>

I used to work at a Safeways in Edinburgh and there was one
woman who seemed to come there specifically to smack her
son. Either that or she just did it all the time. He did
seem to have developed the ability to jump to the side at
just the right moment. I can still hear the screech of
"Cameron, come here right now!" 16 years later.

Graeme

"Richard Corfield" <rcnews2@littondale.dyndns.org> wrote in message
news:2l1lrjF7718mU1@uni-berlin.de...
> (t'other) Dave wrote:
>
> > Generally children aren't naughty, it's only the parents
> > perception of
what
> > constitutes naughty at that particular moment in time,
> > i.e., I don't
want
> > you to do that, I've told you so and still you persist,
> > therefore you
are
> > being naughty and need a good hiding to teach you a
> > lesson. Mostly
children
> > are curious and enjoy interaction. That is to say they
> > are great big
sponges
> > that absorb information at a phenomenal rate. If you pay
> > them attention
and
> > answer their questions from the beginning, they will
> > respond to reason
and
> > logic better than you could hope for. Again, around
> > these 'ere parts the usual response to a child
> > exercising
its
> > curiosity is "shurruporI'll'itya!!"..and if the child
> > persists in
irritating
> > its parent they just shout it louder and continue to
> > ignore the child's needs.
>
> I'm sure I'll find out when the time comes. Of course our
> hopes are to really give any children an interesting
> childhood, having had good childhoods ourselves. I'm
> looking forward to being able to take them cycling,
> camping, seeing the outdoors and such and Lindsay is good
> with art and music and has worked a fair amount with
> children.
>
In that case, I'm sure you'll have no need to punish your
offspring....for a start you're looking forward to being
able to do things with 'em :-)...just remember they're
people and not possessions and you won't go far wrong. If
they are your first (I'm assuming from your post), then the
thing to keep in mind is that you and Lindsay are the only
bits of comfort between them and the big bad world out
there, 24 hours a day for the rest of your lives, albeing
well ;-). Enjoy, it can be the greatest thing. Always be
prepared to stop whatever you are doing to interact with
them whenever they need it. I guarantee they'll never mug an
elder, shoot a swan, or (hopefully) get addicted to smack
'n' crack....

> Our supermarkets are much tamer. We do get the odd little
> tantrum, but the children are mostly well behaved. Our
> evenings though are often puntuated by someone on a nearby
> estate standing in their doorway and shouting their child
> in from the park.
>
> - Richard

Funnily enough it doesn't seem to be a class thing either.
We frequent one of the cheap end supermarkets in a poor area
locally. Fishwives screeching at their offspring is not
uncommon and about the only thing we'd like to get away from
(quality products at quality prices!). Recently we had cause
to go to a more 'upmarket' (read more expensive)
supermarket. To my surprise I noticed that the amount of
children being ignored by their parents was not a lot
different, although done quieter with better accents.... I
don't know, maybe it's a supermarket thing....

> Folks,
>
> I turned the radio on (BBC 4) at 1650 today and heard the
> end of a program so don't actually know all that was in
> it. However, the bit I did hear was referring to brain
> damage and children
were
> expressing their amazement at the fact that an egg in a
> 'polystyrene
helmet'
> could be thrown repeatedly at the floor and not break.
> Implied that the skull could be similarly protected but as
> I didn't hear
the
> start, I've no idea if head protection of any form had
> been discussed.
>
> Will be repeated on Sunday.
>
> 16:30 The Learning Curve Libby Purves presents a guide to
> the world of learning, with education
news
> and practical advice. [Rptd Sun 11.00pm]
>

I remember reading a bike mag a few years ago that did a
group test on helmets. Only they tested them with
watermelons. And most of them ended up with the watermelon
splitting inside.... Not particularly reassuring.

I had a mate who went over a jump, over the handlebars and
landed on his head. Helmet split in 2, he passed out and had
to spend a while in hospital with broken vertebrae. So
there's never any question for me - watermelon or not I'm
wearing a helmet.

Which reminds me. Anyone bought anything online from
Freeborn cycles? any problems? I ordered a couple of things
last week and am still waiting...

Cheers Nick

(t'other) Dave wrote:
> ... you and Lindsay are the only bits of comfort
> between them and the big bad world out there, 24 hours
> a day for the rest of your lives, albeing well ;-).

I hope so, as its a while coming. I need some help after
having some stronger cancer treatment a while back.
Ifosfamide is apparently a "Good Old Fashioned Alkylating
Agent", which sounds like it has the same effect as
bleaching everything.

The doctors take the "rest of your lives" bit seriously -
I've had to stay solidly in remission (no evidence of
disease) for long enough to convince them that I have a good
enough chance of surviving long enough to look after a
child. As the BBC once said in a news article "These
patients can last for decades".

We've also had letters to our GPs asking if there are any
reasons we'd not make suitable parents, genetic testing to
make sure I have the right

transmitted (or in my case, donor blood transmitted, though
that should be screened I'd hope) diseases.

- Richard

Richard Corfield <rcnews2@littondale.dyndns.org> writes:

>(t'other) Dave wrote:
>> ... you and Lindsay are the only bits of comfort
>> between them and the big bad world out there, 24 hours
>> a day for the rest of your lives, albeing well ;-).

>I hope so, as its a while coming. I need some help after
>having some stronger cancer treatment a while back.
>Ifosfamide is apparently a "Good Old Fashioned Alkylating
>Agent", which sounds like it has the same effect as
>bleaching everything.

Best of luck with this! I've been through the fertility
treatment mill and having half the hospital staff involved
in conceiving does take some of the pink cloudiness away

Roos

in message <2l0pvmF7iomeU1@uni-berlin.de>, Tony Raven
('junk@raven-family.com') wrote:

> Zog The Undeniable wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ah...but that's all been cured because we can't beat our
>> kids any more ;-)
>
> Before some of the residents here pipe up I'll say it for
> them - you can in Scotland.

No, you _can't_ in Scotland. It's been illegal here for
years, with no fuss. We're not barbarians and child-
beaters here.

--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)
http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; of 90+ years of protection, but a cure for
cancer, only 14? -- user 'Tackhead', in /.
discussion of copyright law, 22/05/02

"\(t'other\) Dave" <no-one@nowhere.org>typed

> Funnily enough it doesn't seem to be a class thing either.
> We frequent one of the cheap end supermarkets in a poor
> area locally. Fishwives screeching at their offspring is
> not uncommon and about the only thing we'd like to get
> away from (quality products at quality prices!). Recently
> we had cause to go to a more 'upmarket' (read more
> expensive) supermarket. To my surprise I noticed that the
> amount of children being ignored by their parents was not
> a lot different, although done quieter with better
> accents.... I don't know, maybe it's a supermarket
> thing....

In the most up-market supermarkets I've visited, the kids
quietly pushed miniature shopping trolleys, which contained
their shopping...

--
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk Edgware.

Nick Drew wrote:

> I had a mate who went over a jump, over the handlebars and
> landed on his head. Helmet split in 2, he passed out and
> had to spend a while in hospital with broken vertebrae. So
> there's never any question for me - watermelon or not I'm
> wearing a helmet.

To help you have the courage to do dangerous stunts, or so
you, too, can deonstrate that your skull can protect you
where a helmet merely breaks, absorbing little energy in
the process?

Remember, a broken helmet /has not worked as designed/. They
are /not/ supposed to break.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> Nick Drew wrote:

>>I had a mate who went over a jump, over the handlebars and
>>landed on his head. Helmet split in 2, he passed out and
>>had to spend a while in hospital with broken vertebrae. So
>>there's never any question for me - watermelon or not I'm
>>wearing a helmet.

> To help you have the courage to do dangerous stunts, or so
> you, too, can deonstrate that your skull can protect you
> where a helmet merely breaks, absorbing little energy in
> the process?
>
> Remember, a broken helmet /has not worked as designed/.
> They are /not/ supposed to break.

But is it not possible that it'll break once it has absorbed
as much as it can? It may have performed perfectly up to its
specification before breaking, and absorbed useful energy.

But in the case above we have a case of someone coming
to grief trying rather atypical stunts, and thus a case
of "Doctor Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"; "then
don't do that".

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch wrote:

>> Remember, a broken helmet /has not worked as designed/.
>> They are /not/ supposed to break.

> But is it not possible that it'll break once it has
> absorbed as much as it can? It may have performed
> perfectly up to its specification before breaking, and
> absorbed useful energy.

Unlikely. Consider a polystyrene tile. Drop a heavy weight
on it - even when crushed to paper thinness, it does not
break. Now raise the edges and repeat: it snaps instantly.
OK, helmets are a funny shape, but if they are doing what
they are supposed to do and squashing it's hard to see how
that could suddenly convert into snapping, particularly
given the rounded shape of the head.

I stand ready to be corrected on this.

> But in the case above we have a case of someone coming
> to grief trying rather atypical stunts, and thus a case
> of "Doctor Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"; "then
> don't do that".

Just so.

--
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"Helen Deborah Vecht" <helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:313030303736393540EBE11227@zetnet.co.uk...
> "\(t'other\) Dave" <no-one@nowhere.org>typed
>
>
> > Funnily enough it doesn't seem to be a class thing
> > either. We frequent
one
> > of the cheap end supermarkets in a poor area locally.
> > Fishwives
screeching
> > at their offspring is not uncommon and about the only
> > thing we'd like to
get
> > away from (quality products at quality prices!).
> > Recently we had cause
to go
> > to a more 'upmarket' (read more expensive) supermarket.
> > To my surprise I noticed that the amount of children
> > being ignored by their parents was
not a
> > lot different, although done quieter with better
> > accents.... I don't know, maybe it's a supermarket
> > thing....
>
> In the most up-market supermarkets I've visited, the kids
> quietly pushed miniature shopping trolleys, which
> contained their shopping...
>
> --
> Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk Edgware.

aahh, training for the future consumers ;-)

"\(t'other\) Dave" <no-one@nowhere.org>typed

> >
> > In the most up-market supermarkets I've visited, the
> > kids quietly pushed miniature shopping trolleys, which
> > contained their shopping...
> >
> > --
> > Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk Edgware.

> aahh, training for the future consumers ;-)

Yeah, Waitrose also do cookery classes for kids...

--
Helen D. Vecht: helenvecht@zetnet.co.uk Edgware.

"\(t'other\) Dave" <no-one@nowhere.org> wrote in message news:<XtOGc.33878$eK2.3613@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...

> To my surprise I noticed that the amount of children being
> ignored by their parents was not a lot different, although
> done quieter with better accents.... I don't know, maybe
> it's a supermarket thing....

Supermarkets are a big test for parents because their agenda
is so different from the kids'. They want to get in and out
with the least fuss and want to concentrate on their
shopping. Kids want to explore the magic kingdom piled high
with interesting shiny things.

--
Dave...

I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting the urge
to conquer Poland. — Woody Allen

"Nick Drew" <spam@nickdrew.com> wrote in message news:<2l1so9F7gruuU1@uni-berlin.de>...

> I had a mate who went over a jump, over the handlebars and
> landed on his head. Helmet split in 2, he passed out and
> had to spend a while in hospital with broken vertebrae. So
> there's never any question for me - watermelon or not I'm
> wearing a helmet.

The helmet broke and failed to protect your mate from
serious injury. This has convinced you of the value of
helmets?

--
Dave...

I can't listen to that much Wagner. I start getting the urge
to conquer Poland. — Woody Allen

In article <jmBGc.693$j21.366@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
Paulmouk <paulmo2004junk@yahoo.com> wrote:
> However, the bit I did hear was referring to brain damage
> and children were expressing their amazement at the fact
> that an egg in a 'polystyrene helmet' could be thrown
> repeatedly at the floor and not break.

That might be true. But I bet that the contents of the egg
are scrambled.

ian