My wife has had some knee problems over the last year or so and from feedback from various sources
(osteopath, physio, me looking at her pedalling style) we've decided that a set of SPD pedals &
shoes will probably improve matters. She's keen not to spend too much money, so does anyone have any
recommendations on pedals/shoes and/or places to buy them?

Thanks,

Graeme

On 24 Mar 2003 04:42:34 -0800, dodsgr@my-deja.com (Graeme Dods) in
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>probably improve matters. She's keen not to spend too much money, so does anyone have any
>recommendations on pedals/shoes and/or places to buy them?

www.mikedyason.com for shoes which are reasonably priced, and are SPD compatible.

I can't comment on any particular design tho 'cos I don't use SPDs any longer.

Love and toeclips from Rich xx

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"Graeme Dods" <dodsgr@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> My wife has had some knee problems over the last year or so and from feedback from various sources
> (osteopath, physio, me looking at her pedalling style) we've decided that a set of SPD pedals &
> shoes will probably improve matters. She's keen not to spend too much money, so does anyone have
> any recommendations on pedals/shoes and/or places to buy them?

Edinburgh had some cheap spd compatible pedals a while back. Don't know about shoes.

T

"Graeme Dods" <dodsgr@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> My wife has had some knee problems over the last year or so and from feedback from various sources
> (osteopath, physio, me looking at her pedalling style) we've decided that a set of SPD pedals &
> shoes will probably improve matters. She's keen not to spend too much money, so does anyone have
> any recommendations on pedals/shoes and/or places to buy them?
>

Not sure the twisting out of the pedals will help knee problems ... why not try some toe clips first
... I sold some SPDs a while back that had SPD one side and pedal the other. Shimano Pedals -
PD-M515 and SM-PD21. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2077265069)

Graeme Dods <dodsgr@my-deja.com> wrote:

> My wife has had some knee problems over the last year or so and from feedback from various sources
> (osteopath, physio, me looking at her pedalling style) we've decided that a set of SPD pedals &
> shoes will probably improve matters. She's keen not to spend too much money, so does anyone have
> any recommendations on pedals/shoes and/or places to buy them?

J.E.James cycle shop have a lot of Adidas shoes on sale for half price at the mo.I got some lovely
shoes for £35. www.jejames.co.uk possibly. They did have some from £10, up to £40.

If you want some Time ATAC pedals, I may have some for sale - £25 inc cleats and post.

Alan.

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:50:13 -0000, "Tony W" <tonyREMOVE@chapmore.co.uk> wrote:

>Edinburgh had some cheap spd compatible pedals a while back. Don't know about shoes.

If you mean the FPD brand then I'd recommend giving them a very wide berth indeed. Bought a pair
from EBC in January and was deeply disappointed with them.

Quality seemed poor (even considering the low price) and they aren't entirely SPD compatible. Yes, I
could (just!) get them to work OK with Shimano cleats, but they need a completely different tension
setting than when using the FPD ones. To use them I'd have to break out the allen keys each time I
jumped on the bike to adjust for the shoes I was wearing at the time. After a fortnights use they
have been consigned to the cupboard which is where they'll probably stay forever more.

For cheap SPD's I think the best choice would be Shimano 515s.

http://www.cyclexpress.co.uk/product...Pedals_169.asp

Less than 20 quid including delivery. I've had a pair for a while and they are excellent for the
money, do just what they should.

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>J.E.James cycle shop have a lot of Adidas shoes on sale for half price at the mo.I got some lovely
> shoes for £35. www.jejames.co.uk possibly.

I think it's

www.jejamescycles.co.uk

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> For cheap SPD's I think the best choice would be Shimano 515s.
>
> http://www.cyclexpress.co.uk/product...Pedals_169.asp
>
> Less than 20 quid including delivery. I've had a pair for a while and they are excellent for the
> money, do just what they should.
>

I've got a pair of these & they're great. £20 is a good price too. I paid around £26 from Chain
reaction cycles. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Default.asp

I bought Sidi shoes which have been good too. I had difficulty finding my size a not abnormal 11 but
I needed a 47.

If your wife has smaller feet she may find some bargin shoes on Wiggle http://www.wiggle.co.uk/

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On 24 Mar 2003 04:42:34 -0800, Graeme Dods <dodsgr@my-deja.com> wrote:

> My wife has had some knee problems over the last year or so and from feedback from various
> sources (osteopath, physio, me looking at her pedalling style) we've decided that a set of SPD
> pedals & shoes will probably improve matters.

Genuine SPDs generally make knee problems worse. Some of the alternatives are better. ATAC have a
particularly good reputation, and my own knee problems (skeletal deformity -> knee joint doesn't
work as designed -> pain) were greatly reduced when I went from toeclips to ATAC, having been
previously made worse when I tried to go from toeclips to SPD.

Other people have said similar to me.

regards, Ian SMith
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"elyob" <newsprofile@hotmail.com> wrote in news:T4Hfa.5094$qm6.38845694@news-text.cableinet.net:

> Not sure the twisting out of the pedals will help knee problems ...

That was my concern at first, then I realised that I generally have my own SPDs set so loose that
the rotational force required to release is minimal.

> why not try some toe clips first

She has those already and I think they make matters worse. She has a "patellofemoral" problem,
basically the knee cap is not in the groove in the base of the femur as it should be, it's to the
outside, sliding over non-lubricated bone. She is slightly knock-kneed and toe clips allow her to
point her feet inwards too easily. When I cycle behind her shouting "foot forward, knee straight
ahead!" then the pain goes (not because I shout, but because she puts her leg in the right
position:-) The idea is that it is easier to set a "minimum pointy in angle" on an SPD but still
have a few degrees of float compared to a toe clip. Plus she tends not to put her foot fully into
toe clips so she pedals from near the base of her toes rather then slightly further back so she's
putting more strain on her knee/feet/etc..

We've been taping the knee to move the patella over. This works well for walking but cycling
requires more flexibility than our current taping method allows.

... I sold some SPDs a while back
> that had SPD one side and pedal the other. Shimano Pedals - PD-M515 and SM-PD21.
> (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2077265069)

I'd considered pedals like that, but I found out last night that my brother in law is buying a new
bike (my relatives seem to buy new bikes every couple of years, have they not heard of maintenance
;-) His old bike has SPDs so we'll try to use them for a few rides to see if they help matters.
We'll still need to buy some shoes, but SPD capable shoes make good cycling shoes even without the
cleats (a damn sight better than my wife's ubiquitous trainers!).

Thanks,

Graeme

"wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter" <wafflycathcs@aol.comtapeworm> wrote in message
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> >J.E.James cycle shop have a lot of Adidas shoes on sale for half price at the mo.I got some
> > lovely shoes for £35. www.jejames.co.uk possibly.
>
> I think it's
>
> www.jejamescycles.co.uk
>

Damn, why have I got such big feet. No size 12's in any of the type I like. Or in any shoe for
that matter.

Graeme <graeme@gpdods.removethis.com> wrote in message
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> We've been taping the knee to move the patella over. This works well for walking but cycling
> requires more flexibility than our current taping method allows.

Using shorter cranks would decrease the degree of flexing of the knee and might help. Depending on
her leg length and current crank size they might be a good idea even without a knee problem. Have a
look at the following web pages, for example: http://www.cranklength.info/ and
http://www.nettally.com/palmk/Crankset.html .

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alan@darkroom.minus.com (A Lee) wrote in message
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>
> If you want some Time ATAC pedals, I may have some for sale - £25 inc cleats and post.
>

Good suggestion - I'm a great fan of ATACs. As far as shoes go, Lake MX100s are a good, low-price
leisure shoe, compatible with SPD and ATAC systems, or indeed non-clipless systems (the sole has a
panel to cut out with a Stanley/craft knife if you need cleats for clipless), and are very
well-suited to walking when off the bike - I've worn mine for an evening down the pub before now
[1]! I got mine in a Geoffrey Butler winter sale for just eleven quid (!) a couple of years back.
Any downsides? Well, they're lace-up, and the nice stripey laces provided are a wee bit too long -
snagged my R/H one on the chainset.

David E. Belcher

Dept. of Chemistry, University of York

[1] Only if riding to the pub, obviously - my usual choice of DMs aren't ATAC-compatible!

On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:17:39 GMT, "elyob" <newsprofile@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Not sure the twisting out of the pedals will help knee problems ... why not try some toe clips
>first ...
>

I'd disagree with this, Elyob. With toe clips your feet are forced to point straight ahead whereas
with SPDs you have a certain amout of float.

James

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dkahn400@yahoo.co.uk (Dave Kahn) wrote in message
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> Using shorter cranks would decrease the degree of flexing of the knee and might help. Depending on
> her leg length and current crank size they might be a good idea even without a knee problem. Have
> a look at the following web pages, for example: http://www.cranklength.info/ and
> http://www.nettally.com/palmk/Crankset.html .

Okay, this makes perfect sense as one of the things I also noticed was the excessive range of
up/down movement in her knees. I must admit that I'd just assumed the cranks would be of a roughly
correct size when we bought it but reading the above web sites her cranks are way too long.

So the question now is, where can I get reasonably priced 165mm long 3 ring cranks? Wiggle, Mike
Dyason, EBC etc don't seem to have anything.

Thanks,

Graeme