The German people turned to Hitler, as many nations turned to strong leaders during the period the
Bolsheviks were instigating class wars, as a means of preventing their governments from being co-
opted, as the Russian government was.

As can be seen, Bush is willing partner in the Bolshevik game, just as FDR was. If FDR had gone
after the instigators of the class wars, rather than back the Bolshevik terrorists, WWII would has
lasted two months, and there would have been no millions of deaths, no Cold War, no Korea, no
Vietnam , no nuclear weapons, and no instigation of global religious war.

If Bush had gone after the Bolsheviks, rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon, there would
have been no 9/11, no movement of America toward a police and military state, no hatred of America
by most of the world, now Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, no demise in Americas economy, no melt down
of America.

Hitler was a by product of the class war instigations of the Bolsheviks during the 1900s and I dare
say that a similar strong leader will come forth in America to counteract the Bolshevik instigations
of religious wars of the 2000s.

In other words, the instigators of war for profit, are a tough, determined, immoral bunch, that will
do anything to achieve power and riches, and it will take a strong leader, who is protected by loyal
supporters to contend with them.

--
Tom Potter http://tompotter.us

"Jiggs McManus" >
> --
> Tom Potter http://tompotter.us
>
>

we have a winner in the nut of the week posting contest . lenny abbott you have been beaten out .
better luck next week .

Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the newsgroups or
just us?
Rob N
"Jiggs McManus" <postmaster@bogg.dynu.com> wrote in message
news:QD5ORP2O38013.476087963@bogg.dynu.com...
> The German people turned to Hitler, as many nations turned to strong leaders during the period the
> Bolsheviks were instigating class wars, as a means of preventing their governments from being co-
> opted, as the Russian government was.
>
> As can be seen, Bush is willing partner in the Bolshevik game, just as FDR was. If FDR had gone
> after the instigators of the class wars, rather than back the Bolshevik terrorists, WWII would has
> lasted two months, and there would have been no millions of deaths, no Cold War, no Korea, no
> Vietnam , no nuclear weapons, and no instigation of global religious war.
>
> If Bush had gone after the Bolsheviks, rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon, there
> would have been no 9/11, no movement of America toward a police and military state, no hatred of
> America by most of the world, now Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, no demise in Americas economy, no
> melt down of America.
>
> Hitler was a by product of the class war instigations of the Bolsheviks during the 1900s and I
> dare say that a similar strong leader will come forth in America to counteract the Bolshevik
> instigations of religious wars of the 2000s.
>
> In other words, the instigators of war for profit, are a tough, determined, immoral bunch, that
> will do anything to achieve power and riches, and it will take a strong leader, who is protected
> by loyal supporters to contend with them.
>
> --
> Tom Potter http://tompotter.us

"Robin Norton" <nortonrj@esatclear.ie> wrote in message
news:bv6eof$mhf$1@dorito.esatclear.ie...
> Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the newsgroups or just us? Rob N "Jiggs
> McManus" <postmaster@bogg.dynu.com> wrote in message news:QD5ORP2O38013.476087963@bogg.dynu.com...
> > The German people turned to Hitler, as many nations turned to strong leaders during the period
> > the Bolsheviks were instigating class wars, as a means of preventing their governments from
> > being co-opted, as the Russian government was.
> >
> > As can be seen, Bush is willing partner in the Bolshevik game, just as FDR was. If FDR had gone
> > after the instigators of the class wars, rather than back the Bolshevik terrorists, WWII would
> > has lasted two months, and there would have been no millions of deaths, no Cold War, no Korea,
> > no Vietnam , no nuclear weapons, and no instigation of global religious war.
> >
> > If Bush had gone after the Bolsheviks, rather than getting in bed with them and Sharon, there
> > would have been no 9/11, no movement of America toward a police and military state, no hatred of
> > America by most of the world, now Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, no demise in Americas economy, no
> > melt down of America.
> >
> > Hitler was a by product of the class war instigations of the Bolsheviks during the 1900s and I
> > dare say that a similar strong leader will come forth in America to counteract the Bolshevik
> > instigations of religious wars of the 2000s.
> >
> > In other words, the instigators of war for profit, are a tough, determined, immoral bunch, that
> > will do anything to achieve power and riches, and it will take a strong leader, who is protected
> > by loyal supporters to contend with them.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Potter http://tompotter.us
> >
> >
>
>

this the first time he's bothered us at alt.war.civil.usa .

crossposting by this type of wacko is getting quite common .

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:35:10 -0000, "Robin Norton"
<nortonrj@esatclear.ie> wrote:

>Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the newsgroups or just us?

Who knows. Shoot them, burn the bodies, and see if the average bit count goes down. If not that
proves they don't but a valuable social service will have been performed.

Guy
===
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:c9pd109kt5su54j8bj0ekt9sn8cjhpsqvd@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:35:10 -0000, "Robin Norton" <nortonrj@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
> >Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the newsgroups
or
> >just us?
>
> Who knows. Shoot them, burn the bodies, and see if the average bit count goes down. If not that
> proves they don't but a valuable social service will have been performed.
>
> Guy
> ===
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
> http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk

It is interesting to see that "Robin Norton" and "Just zis Guy, you know?" have been well condition
to accept, and parrot, the standard agenda and tactics of the people who instigate conflict and war
for power and riches.

Note, that rather than address the message in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way, they use the
standard, boilerplate tactic of deleting the message, and attacking the messenger.

And note that "Robin Norton" escalates the attack on the messenger by using "traces of irony" in an
effort to provoke violence on the messenger.

As can be seen by an examination of history, and current events, and by the posts in this
thread, the people who instigate conflict, violence and war, and their fellow travelers, and
their brainwashed dupes, have no limits when it comes to trying to impose their agenda upon the
larger society.

I suggest that the rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, who would like to leave the world a better
place for their children, should careful note the agenda and tactics and the basic immorality of the
conflict and war instigators, (And their dupes) and think about what can be done to arrest this
social cancer.

--
Tom Potter http://tompotter.us

"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
news:bv7ntb$p6pu4$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:c9pd109kt5su54j8bj0ekt9sn8cjhpsqvd@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:35:10 -0000, "Robin Norton" <nortonrj@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> >
> > >Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the newsgroups
> or
> > >just us?
> >
> > Who knows. Shoot them, burn the bodies, and see if the average bit count goes down. If not that
> > proves they don't but a valuable social service will have been performed.
> >
> > Guy
> > ===
> > May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
> > http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk
>
> It is interesting to see that "Robin Norton" and "Just zis Guy, you know?" have been well
> condition to accept, and parrot, the standard agenda and tactics of the people who instigate
> conflict and war for power and riches.
>
> Note, that rather than address the message in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way, they use the
> standard, boilerplate tactic of deleting the message, and attacking the messenger.
>
> And note that "Robin Norton" escalates the attack on the messenger by using "traces of irony" in
> an effort to provoke violence on the messenger.
>
> As can be seen by an examination of history, and current events, and by the posts in this thread,
> the people who instigate conflict, violence and war, and their fellow travelers, and their
> brainwashed dupes, have no limits when it comes to trying to impose their agenda upon the larger
> society.
>
> I suggest that the rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, who would like to leave the world a better
> place for their children, should careful note the agenda and tactics and the basic immorality of
> the conflict and war instigators, (And their dupes) and think about what can be done to arrest
> this social cancer.
>
> --
> Tom Potter http://tompotter.us
>
>
I think rational, intelligent, MORAL folks would dismiss you as a neo-Nazi with delusions of
adequacy. In fact, I am absolutely sure of it.

I HATE Illinois Nazis

"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
news:bv7ntb$p6pu4$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de...

> It is interesting to see that "Robin Norton" and "Just zis Guy, you know?" have been well
> condition to accept, and parrot, the standard agenda and tactics of the people who instigate
> conflict and war for power and riches.

It is interesting to note that "Tom Potter" is happy to flame someone with not the slightest idea of
their actual views on the subject he discusses. For example,thirty seconds' research would have
revealed that I am strongly against Operation Oily Residue and always have been.

I am also strongly against spammers. Particularly spammers who post off-topic extremist political
diatribes to groups which have nothign to do with politics. If you want the five-pund argument, go
and debate the issue with Ed Dolan on alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent. In the mean time please feel

> Note, that rather than address the message in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way, they use the
> standard, boilerplate tactic of deleting the message, and attacking the messenger.

That's because the message is a gibbering troll spammed to the four winds for no obvious reason.

> As can be seen by an examination of history, and current events, and by the posts in this thread,
> the people who instigate conflict, violence and war, and their fellow travelers, and their
> brainwashed dupes, have no limits when it comes to trying to impose their agenda upon the larger
> society.

As can be seen form a cursory inspection you are a spamming troll and so is "Jiggs McManus." The
standard penalty for spammers in this notoriously liberal newsgroup [uk.rec.cycling] is drowning in
a vat of bull**** (bulls with diarrhoea are used for obvious reasons). If exceptional mitigating
circumstances exist, we may commute that to shooting and burning of the bodies.

> I suggest that the rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, who would like to leave the world a better
> place for their children, should careful note the agenda and tactics and the basic immorality of
> the conflict and war instigators, (And their dupes) and think about what can be done to arrest
> this social cancer.

And I suggest that intelligent MORAL folks are all opposed to spamming trolls. Back under your
bridge, laddie.

<plonk>

--
Guy
===

WARNING: may contain traces of irony. Contents may settle after posting.
http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk

"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message news:<bv7ntb$p6pu4$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> And note that "Robin Norton" escalates the attack on the messenger by using "traces of irony" in
> an effort to provoke violence on the messenger.

As can be seen by an examination of the posts in this thread it was "Just zis Guy" who did that.

> As can be seen by an examination of history, and current events, and by the posts in this thread,
> the people who instigate conflict, violence and war, and their fellow travelers, and their
> brainwashed dupes, have no limits when it comes to trying to impose their agenda upon the larger
> society.

No limits indeed - some going even so far as to use traces of irony.

--
Dave...

Tom Potter wrote:

> I suggest that the rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, who would like to leave the world a better
> place for their children, should careful note the agenda and tactics and the basic immorality of
> the conflict and war instigators, (And their dupes) and think about what can be done to arrest
> this social cancer.

Unless you can show that the original post is in some way relevant to cycling in the UK (hint:
that's what uk.rec.cycling is about), may /I/ cordially suggest that you stop cross-posting
irrelevant bollocks like a cretinous foul-yob fit only for stoning.

Tosser.

--

Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
===========================================================
Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
===========================================================

"Trish" <atalanta@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:IKJRb.20821$uQ5.16331@twister.socal.rr.com...
>
> "Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message news:bv7ntb$p6pu4$1@ID-188019.news.uni-
> berlin.de...
> > "Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:c9pd109kt5su54j8bj0ekt9sn8cjhpsqvd@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:35:10 -0000, "Robin Norton" <nortonrj@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the
newsgroups
> > or
> > > >just us?
> > >
> > > Who knows. Shoot them, burn the bodies, and see if the average bit count goes down. If not
> > > that proves they don't but a valuable social service will have been performed.
> > >
> > > Guy
> > > ===
> > > May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
> > > http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk
> >
> > It is interesting to see that "Robin Norton" and "Just zis Guy, you know?" have been well
> > condition to accept, and parrot, the standard agenda and tactics of the people who instigate
> > conflict and war for power and riches.
> >
> > Note, that rather than address the message in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way, they use the
> > standard, boilerplate tactic of deleting the message, and attacking the messenger.
> >
> > And note that "Robin Norton" escalates the attack on the messenger by using "traces of irony" in
> > an effort to provoke violence on the messenger.
> >
> > As can be seen by an examination of history, and current events, and by the posts in this
> > thread, the people who instigate conflict, violence and war, and their fellow travelers, and
> > their brainwashed dupes, have no limits when it comes to trying to impose their agenda upon the
> > larger society.
> >
> > I suggest that the rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, who would like to leave the world a
> > better place for their children, should careful note the agenda and tactics and the basic
> > immorality of the conflict and war instigators, (And their dupes) and think about what can be
> > done to arrest this social cancer.
> >
> > --
> > Tom Potter http://tompotter.us
> >
> >
> I think rational, intelligent, MORAL folks would dismiss you as a neo-Nazi with delusions of
> adequacy. In fact, I am absolutely sure of it.

It seems to me "Trish", that rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, focus on messages rather than
trying to inhibit the search for truth, by attacking messengers.

It appears that the issue that you, and a number of posters are trying to obscure, is that a small
group were central to the class war instigations of the 1900's, and the religious wars instigations
of the 2000's.

What is your position on this issue?

Are you asserting the only Nazi and neo-Nazi and folks with "delusions of adequacy" are opposed to
the instigation of war for profit?

Do you feel a strong, negative, emotional reaction towards folks who are opposed to the instigation
of conflict and war for profit and wealth?

Considering that the German people are perhaps the most intelligent, moral, productive people on
Earth, would you like to discuss why the German people turned to strong leaders when a small group
of people were instigating class wars all over the Earth during the 1900's?

Considering that "Trish" asserts that she is speaking for the rational, intelligent, MORAL folks, I
trust she will engage in an honest, moral, open debate on the issue of instigating conflict and war
for power and riches, rather than engage in childish, low class, insults.

--
Tom Potter http://tompotter.us

"Dave Larrington" <legs_larry@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bv864q$phjsr$2@ID-120318.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> Unless you can show that the original post is in some way relevant to cycling in the UK (hint:
> that's what uk.rec.cycling is about), may /I/ cordially suggest that you stop cross-posting
> irrelevant bollocks like a cretinous foul-yob fit only for stoning.

Muffled cries from Harry Potter (posted via two or more anonymous remailing services): Help! Help!
I'm being repressed!

--
Dave...

In message <c9pd109kt5su54j8bj0ekt9sn8cjhpsqvd@4ax.com>, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> writes
>On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:35:10 -0000, "Robin Norton" <nortonrj@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
>>Do lunatics like Jiggs and Maggie/ Tom Potter bother all the newsgroups or just us?
>
>Who knows. Shoot them, burn the bodies, and see if the average bit count goes down. If not that
>proves they don't but a valuable social service will have been performed.
>

Bodies don't burn at all well. Any time you need to get rid of someone without too much effort:

1) Take an 18" length of scrap inner tube (the widest you have handy) and fill it with sand, folding
the ends over and gaffer taping them thoroughly.

2) Use this to hit the victim on the head from behind, as hard as possible, swinging sideways and
aiming for the temple. When they're down hit them again if necessary, they won't bleed much.

3) At night, move the body to a muddy unlit country road and dump it beside the verge, in a
place where there's a good chance the next vehicle will drive over it. In a water-filled
pothole is good.

4) Dismantle the weapon and throw the components into separate roadside hedges.

This method may not satisfy as many of your baser instincts, but it's much less likely to result in
prosecution.
--
Sue ];(

dkahn400@yahoo.co.uk (Dave Kahn) wrote in message news:<57db8bde.0401280633.7aed3270@posting.google.com>...
> "Dave Larrington" <legs_larry@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bv864q$phjsr$2@ID-120318.news.uni-
> berlin.de>...
>
> > Unless you can show that the original post is in some way relevant to cycling in the UK (hint:
> > that's what uk.rec.cycling is about), may /I/ cordially suggest that you stop cross-posting
> > irrelevant bollocks like a cretinous foul-yob fit only for stoning.
>
> Muffled cries from Harry Potter (posted via two or more anonymous remailing services): Help! Help!
> I'm being repressed!

You should have ironed it out correctly the first time.