Lakelander 3000 - Page 2

The message <MPG.1ae3c21e90a285a7989c7b@news.individual.net>
from Fran <fran@privacy.net> contains these words:

> Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
> of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but get
> your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air that's
> forecast for any minute now...

Not up to it more like. :-)

Some people like a challenge and the Lakes 3000s is a very
different kettle of fish to the National 3 peaks. For a
start it is a walk, not an extended coach trip and, unlike
the later, it is a genuinely hard walk. (Naismith time of
over 20 hours). The downside is that overall it is not a
particularly appealing walk, at least to those who dislike
road walking. About one third of the walk is along roads and
the road walking part is just about inescapable.

I can't see what all the fuss is about. We have come to a
sorry state if the only people allowed to walk up the more
popular hills in the Lake District without barracking are
the grockles.

(Top posting is of course to be deprecated).

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 27 summits New - 16 (Marilyns
4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 11( Marilyns 2,
Sweats 6, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 3 times

"Rodders" <tellmeifyouneedmyaddress@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark South" <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4079a5cd$1_2@news.bluewin.ch...
> > "Will Platts" <willplatts@btinternet.com> wrote in
> > message news:c59s4d$ihq$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > > Because it's a challenge, and it's there.
> >
> > Translation: someone else defined it and I want to live
> > up to their standards.
> >
> > > Does anyone have any advice?
> >
> > Yes, several bits of advice.
> >
> > a. Learn to post interleaved.
> >
> > b. Get some better reasons for doing stuff like this.
> >
> > c. Even better, get your own reasons to do your own
> > stuff.
> >
> > Apologies to everyone for not fixing the top-posting.
> > Too much Easter chocolate.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong.

With pleasure :-)

> Is this a walking group?

Yup.

> Did the poster post a question about walking?

Possibly. I asked a question to give the OP a chance to say
a little more about what they were asking.

> Why all the negativity?

Have you seen the state of the 3 peaks in the Dales? That's
nearly all down to the challenge of doing the 3 peaks. Have
you seen the state of Everest Base Camp? Chamonix? Have you
paid attention to the thread about Snowdon a while back? Do
you see a pattern?

Those all result from a whole bunch of people doing someone
else's (narrow) idea of what's worthwhile out of doors.
--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
Ce poulet a une grenade!

"Fran" <fran@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> tellmeifyouneedmyaddress@ntlworld.com said...
> > Correct me if I am wrong. Is this a walking group?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Did the poster post a question about walking?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Why all the negativity?
>
> Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
> of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but get
> your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air that's
> forecast for any minute now...

Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
"below", it's about questioning whether set challenges are a
good thing. I do question whether they are a good thing
because of their known role in negative environmental
impacts on the areas where they are set.

And so I provided a question and an opportunity for
discussion. Not that the OP provided much of an answer.
--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
Ce poulet a une grenade!

"Roger" <Roger@nospam.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message
> <MPG.1ae3c21e90a285a7989c7b@news.individual.net> from Fran
> <fran@privacy.net> contains these words:
>
> > Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
> > of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but
> > get your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air
> > that's forecast for any minute now...
>
> Not up to it more like. :-)

The notion of democratic participation upon which Usenet is
based does not require a test on the ability to do something
in order to discuss it. For example, you may hold views on
genetic engineering without in fact knowing how to build a
gene-splicing lab.

That said, I hope your knee is still holding up.

> Some people like a challenge and the Lakes 3000s is a very
> different kettle of fish to the National 3 peaks. For a
> start it is a walk, not an extended coach trip and, unlike
> the later, it is a genuinely hard walk. (Naismith time of
> over 20 hours). The downside is that overall it is not a
> particularly appealing walk, at least to those who dislike
> road walking. About one third of the walk is along roads
> and the road walking part is just about inescapable.

That's why it's mysterious to me that anybody would want to
do it. But I'd be fascinated to have the motivation
explained.

> I can't see what all the fuss is about. We have come to a
> sorry state if the only people allowed to walk up the more
> popular hills in the Lake District without barracking are
> the grockles.

No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it have
to be a particular challenge?

> (Top posting is of course to be deprecated).

Goes without saying.
--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
Ce poulet a une grenade!

mark.south@null.invalid said...
> > > Why all the negativity?
> >
> > Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the sort
> > of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about it, but
> > get your asbestos suit ready for the inevitable hot air
> > that's forecast for any minute now...
>
> Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
> "below", it's about questioning whether set challenges are
> a good thing. I do question whether they are a good thing
> because of their known role in negative environmental
> impacts on the areas where they are set.
>
> And so I provided a question and an opportunity for
> discussion. Not that the OP provided much of an answer.

The OP was probably thoroughly intimidated by the responses
he got. Not everyone is of the same mindset and he came here
asking for information. What he got was polemic re why he
shouldn't do the challenge, which wasn't at all what he
wanted. If people want to do these challenges it's not for
us or anyone else to say whether or not they should.
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.

mark.south@null.invalid said...
> No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it have
> to be a particular challenge?
>
Why not? Isn't any walk a 'challenge'? Isn't peak bagging a
challenge? Some people like a challenge. For some it's a
photographic one; for some it's a challenge to get lost
whilst in possession of a working GPS; for some it's the
challenge of bagging a list of summits; for some it's the
challenge of covering a certain amount of distance or height
in a certain amount of time. *Shrug*
--
Fran If you need my email address please ask.

"Will Platts" <willplatts@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know much about this challenge?
>
> Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
> Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
> doing this in June or July and was wandering if anyone had
> done it before.
>
> Any ideas on routes, etc.?
>
> Thanks
>
> Will

Good luck Will, don't expect much advice on your challenge
in this NG. I post before I read, now I'm going to have a
look. I smell hypocrisy and snobbery already. Mmmmmmm.

KRO

"Mark South" <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Will Platts" <willplatts@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:c598hl$7v9$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>
> > Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
> > Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours.
>
> Why?
> --
> Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net
> <<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!>>
>
Why not?

KRO

The message <4079e516$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>
from "Mark South" <mark.south@null.invalid> contains these words:

> > > Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the
> > > sort of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about
> > > it, but get your asbestos suit ready for the
> > > inevitable hot air that's forecast for any minute
> > > now...
> >
> > Not up to it more like. :-)

> The notion of democratic participation upon which Usenet
> is based does not require a test on the ability to do
> something in order to discuss it. For example, you may
> hold views on genetic engineering without in fact knowing
> how to build a gene-splicing lab.

I know little about the intricacies of genetic engineering
and rather more about construction but would hesitate to
express an opinion on either.

> That said, I hope your knee is still holding up.

Thanks but it is too early to tell. It isn't causing much of
a problem atm but atm I am not doing much walking.

> > Some people like a challenge and the Lakes 3000s is a
> > very different kettle of fish to the National 3 peaks.
> > For a start it is a walk, not an extended coach trip
> > and, unlike the later, it is a genuinely hard walk.
> > (Naismith time of over 20 hours). The downside is that
> > overall it is not a particularly appealing walk, at
> > least to those who dislike road walking. About one third
> > of the walk is along roads and the road walking part is
> > just about inescapable.

> That's why it's mysterious to me that anybody would want
> to do it. But I'd be fascinated to have the motivation
> explained.

But what drives anyone to to undertake something that is at
times uncomfortable, tiring and even dangerous? I think it
is human nature to be competitive and most of us apply it to
what we do - as in many sports to go faster or further than
our peers. What we do is very small beer compared with those
who would climb Everest or walk to the South Pole but I
suspect the motivation is much the same and it is even there
(to a limited extent) in the couch potato who makes the
occasional trip to a summit even if they do take the train
to get there.

> > I can't see what all the fuss is about. We have come to
> > a sorry state if the only people allowed to walk up the
> > more popular hills in the Lake District without
> > barracking are the grockles.

> No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it have
> to be a particular challenge?

The Lakes 3000s is one of a number of challenges of varying
difficulty and varying attractiveness. It is by no means the
best IMO but as it links the 4 highest peaks in the Lakes it
does have its own rationale. It is also harder than most of
the wellknown challenges which means it gets only a small
fraction of the traffic the easier routes get. The Yorkshire
3 Peaks gets much more traffic as it so much easier. Both
walks owe their popularity to the desirability of the
location which means that even in the case of the Y3Ps those
on individual ascents will far outnumber those undertaking
the complete walk. Set a challenge on an unpopular course
and it will get little if any traffic.

> > (Top posting is of course to be deprecated).

> Goes without saying.

:-)

--
Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley
Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters killfiled on sight

"KRO" <KRO@anon.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Will Platts" <willplatts@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:c598hl$7v9$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > Does anyone know much about this challenge?
> >
> > Basically, it's where you have to do Scafell, Scafell
> > Pike, Skiddaw and Helvellyn in 24 hours. I'm planning on
> > doing this in June or July and
was
> > wandering if anyone had done it before.
> >
> > Any ideas on routes, etc.?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Will
>
> Good luck Will, don't expect much advice on your challenge
> in this NG. I post before I read, now I'm going to have a
> look. I smell hypocrisy and snobbery already. Mmmmmmm.
>
> KRO
>
...........mmmm, not as bad as I expected. But I'm sure you
get the drift. Remember and post how you got on.

KRO

Fran <fran@privacy.net> wrote
>mark.south@null.invalid said...
>> No barracking about walking up hills. But why does it
>> have to be a particular challenge?
>>
>Why not? Isn't any walk a 'challenge'? Isn't peak bagging a
>challenge? Some people like a challenge. For some it's a
>photographic one; for some it's a challenge to get lost
>whilst in possession of a working GPS; for some it's the
>challenge of bagging a list of summits; for some it's the
>challenge of covering a certain amount of distance or
>height in a certain amount of time. *Shrug*

I walked a total of 26 miles this week (Mon-Sun). Wow!

...and I feel much fitter than I would if I did it in
one day.
--
Gordon

In article <4079e3e7$1_3@news.bluewin.ch>, Mark South
<mark.south@null.invalid> writes
>Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
>"below", it's about questioning whether set challenges are
>a good thing. I do question whether they are a good thing
>because of their known role in negative environmental
>impacts on the areas where they are set.
>

What are the negative environmental impacts of the Lakeland
4,000s challenge walk? And how do they compare to those
caused by the huge numbers of ascents of H, Sk, S and SP
each week throughout the year?

At around 40m miles, it is not going to attract crowds of
walkers - either as an event or through individuals/small
groups doing it at times of their own choosing.

Vehicle noise/traffic problems? It is a circular walk.

Any more?

Russ Clare

"Fran" <fran@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> mark.south@null.invalid said...
> > > > Why all the negativity?
> > >
> > > Because the 'professionals' in the NG are above the
> > > sort of challenge mentioned. Try not to worry about
> > > it, but get your asbestos suit ready for the
> > > inevitable hot air that's forecast for any minute
> > > now...
> >
> > Oh come now, it's not a question of being "above" or
> > "below", it's about questioning whether set challenges
> > are a good thing. I do question
whether
> > they are a good thing because of their known role in
> > negative
environmental
> > impacts on the areas where they are set.
> >
> > And so I provided a question and an opportunity for
> > discussion. Not
that
> > the OP provided much of an answer.
>
> The OP was probably thoroughly intimidated by the
> responses he got.

What makes you think that?

> Not everyone is of the same mindset and he came here
> asking for information. What he got was polemic re why
> he shouldn't do the challenge, which wasn't at all what
> he wanted.

Ah, the "We exist to serve the requests of posters who
ask for information" theory. Also known as the Homework
Server Fallacy.

If he just wanted information he might have tried google and
various other places. If he wanted a discussion, why refuse
to discuss?

> If people want to do these challenges it's not for us or
> anyone else to say whether or not they should.

It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you disagree,
that's fine.
--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
Ce poulet a une grenade!

> > If people want to do these challenges it's not for us or
> > anyone else to say whether or not they should.
>
> It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you disagree,
> that's fine.
> --
> Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net
> <<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!>>

Rory

"Rodders" <tellmeifyouneedmyaddress@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > If people want to do these challenges it's not for us
> > > or anyone else to say whether or not they should.
> >
> > It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you
> > disagree, that's fine.
>

You already had several chances to put your point of view,
which you have ignored.

Foulmouthed ad hominem attacks don't make anyone look very
good in general.
--
Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
Ce poulet a une grenade!