Lakelander 3000 - Page 3

"Mark South" <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Rodders" <tellmeifyouneedmyaddress@ntlworld.com> wrote in
> message news:c5f01t$s9ks$1@ID-168080.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > > > If people want to do these challenges it's not for
> > > > us or anyone else to say whether or not they should.
> > >
> > > It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you
> > > disagree, that's
fine.
> >

>
> You already had several chances to put your point of view,
> which you have ignored.
>
> Foulmouthed ad hominem attacks don't make anyone look
> very good in
general.

You have just advocated freedom of speech which I agree
with. You have stated your view of the topic. My comment is
what I think of you.

"Rodders" <tellmeifyouneedmyaddress@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark South" <mark.south@null.invalid> wrote in message
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> > "Rodders" <tellmeifyouneedmyaddress@ntlworld.com> wrote
> > in message news:c5f01t$s9ks$1@ID-168080.news.uni-
> > berlin.de...
> > >
> > > > > If people want to do these challenges it's not for
> > > > > us or anyone else to say whether or not they
> > > > > should.
> > > >
> > > > It is for me to say exactly what I think. If you
> > > > disagree, that's
> fine.
> > >

> >
> > You already had several chances to put your point of
> > view, which you
have
> > ignored.
> >
> > Foulmouthed ad hominem attacks don't make anyone look
> > very good in
> general.
>
> You have just advocated freedom of speech which I
> agree with.

Actually, you don't. You believe in a gestapo-like "just
answer the question!" view of how other people should act.

> You have stated your view of the topic.

Yes, I think everybody knew that.

> My comment is what I think of you.

My note was to point out to you that as a consequence of the
way you expressed it, everyone now knows what to think of
you. Bad luck.

Say what you like from now on, I won't bother to pass any
more clues your way.

> My note was to point out to you that as a consequence of
> the way you expressed it, everyone now knows what to think
> of you. Bad luck.
>
> Say what you like from now on, I won't bother to pass any
> more clues your way.

Please tell me the wealth of knowledge that you have
enlightened me with?

All I see is snidey comments to genuine posters who are
needed in this group. If all new posters were treated the
way this poster was, then the group would die.

There are enough mature and sensible posters on this group
to answer any question a new walker has, I hardly think the
loss of your input would be noticed

>Correct me if I am wrong. Is this a walking group? Did the
>poster post a question about walking? Why all the
>negativity?
>
>

Exactly, he was asking a bout a trip with a vast tradition
behind it, and a real acheivement as well.

Why treat the poster as if he had asked about the "3 peaks
drive" from a Scottish College?

Richard Webb

In article <MPG.1ae3fa23c5585ce3989c87@news.individual.net>,
Fran <fran@privacy.net> writes
>Why not? Isn't any walk a 'challenge'? Isn't peak bagging a
>challenge? Some people like a challenge. For some it's a
>photographic one; for some it's a challenge to get lost
>whilst in possession of a working GPS;

I detect a certain NG conditioning here - of course I'm sure
you have no-one in mind :-)

In crossword vein let me say Private Service heads will
appear soon .

I think I'll take cover now!
--
Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

>ISTR that the Ramblers have an organised event every year
>but don't know the date so you could find yourself one of a
>very large crowd.

Usually around the longest day IIRC, so 3rd weekend in June.
This may be wrong :-)
>
>
>> Any ideas on routes, etc.?

We took a similar route to Roger, only we started from
Keswick at 2am, went up and down Skiddaw first (sunrise on
the descent). Then the same as Roger. The worst bit by far
was the descent down Wythburn - you can see the road at the
bottom of Helvellyn from the start of the descent so it
doesn't look too far, but it is endless. And the road back
from Helvellyn to Keswick was far worse than the one down
Borrowdale, partly because we were tired, mostly because it
was a very main road. We had some support - a change of
footwear after Skiddaw so we could run to Seathwaite where
we had a cooked breakfast :-) Then the support was delayed
on Glaramara so the promised food at the bottom of Helvellyn
didn't happen. It took us 20 1/2 hours, only about a fifth
of those who started managed to finish. I am glad I did it
as now I never have to do it again :-)

Have fun

S.

The message <lhut70tr72d4ph2s40o6ldd6es8nm9do30@4ax.com>
from Simon Caldwell <simonjcaldwell@ntlworld.com> contains these words:

> It took us 20 1/2 hours, only about a fifth of those who
> started managed to finish. I am glad I did it as now I
> never have to do it again :-)

I had 2 attempts. The first was a solo affair. Good weather
and I was going very well when suddenlyc oming off
Helvellyn, ouch, an excruciating pain in the left hip. It is
not too difficult to walk with a painful knee (unless on a
steep slope you don't need to move it) but a hip is
different. I eventually made it down to the road and hitched
back to Seathwaite.

A year or 2 later I had another go but this time I organised
it as a club meet so we had support at the road crossings.
Unfortunately the weather was not too good and I was not so
fit and, worst of all my boots didn't fit very well either.
Sitting on the pavement in Station Road, Keswick with my
feet in the gutter some bright spark suggested he lance the
balloon on my little toe. Teach him right, struck in the eye
by the liquid escaping under pressure. Blisters are much
more painful when fully deflated and it was touch and go for
a time going up Skiddaw before a bit of lubrication found
its way back in.

I didn't know it at the time but by then I was the only
one of the team left walking. ISTR that the likely lads
had had a bit of difficulty navigating in the mist that
had plagued the early hours of the day. The final long
slog along the road is best forgotten, made more difficult
by the frequent offers of a lift from the Range Rover (not
mine, that was much later) that accompanied me on the
final stage (in low ratio).

Unlike the Welsh 3000s I had not the slightest desire to
repeat the experience. I cannot find my notes atm but I
think I took just over 21 hours. The blisters probably cost
me an hour or 2.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 27 summits New - 16 (Marilyns
4, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 11( Marilyns 2,
Sweats 6, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 3 times

>Have you seen the state of the 3 peaks in the Dales? That's
>nearly all down to the challenge of doing the 3 peaks. Have
>you seen the state of Everest Base Camp? Chamonix? Have you
>paid attention to the thread about Snowdon a while back? Do
>you see a pattern?

Do you actually know anything about the Lakes 3000s walk?
What route it takes? Obviously you don't, since a
significant part of it goes down one of the least frequented
and least eroded valleys in the Lake District. The numbers
doing this walk are (relatively) tiny, since unlike all the
examples you give, it is difficult.

S.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:38:33 +0200, "Mark South"
<mark.south@null.invalid> wrote:

>
>That's why it's mysterious to me that anybody would want to
>do it. But I'd be fascinated to have the motivation
>explained.

Does peak-bagging of any sort need to be explained?
Assuming that you understand why people 'collect' Munros,
or Corbetts, or anything similar, then the reason for the
attraction of this challenge is surely obvious - it links
all the 3000 foot hills in England into a single
continuous walk.

The Welsh 3000s and Scottish 4000s (rather more difficult!)
are similar undertakings. Or the Dales 3 Peaks. Or at a
rather easier level, the Howgills 2000 footers.

S.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:20:44 +0100, Russ Clare
<clare@rjc1.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
>What are the negative environmental impacts of the Lakeland
>4,000s challenge walk?

The challenge being to find them I suppose ;-)