Best Mobile Network for the Lake district - Page 3

"Paul Saunders" <pvs1@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
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> Robert Hill wrote:
>
> > AND, like tomorrow, by virtue of call diversion, I can
be up
> > on the hills, rather than being tied down (! not) in the office. A mobile phone and appropriate
> > technology brings freedom. Recently I bought 400mt peanuts on the way up Snowdon and sold em on
> > the way down. I'm not bragging -
just
> > making a point.
>
> Fair enough. So you're one of those entrepenuer types are
you? The
> kind of person that gets a kick out of making money?
Nothing wrong with
> that, it's just not my mentality. I wouldn't want those
kind of
> distractions when out walking. When I go out I like to
truly get away
> from civilisation.
>
> Paul
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I knew you'd suggest that! Not just as sectioned as you'd think....Not all entrepreneurs are cigar
chomping jag owning fat cats.

despam.c.street@ntlworld.com (Chris Street) writes:

><{d-sep03}@dscs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>In article <3fa96e7e$0$12668$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk>, Robert Hill <zen13484@zen.co.uk> writes

>>>Also, this thread appeared a while ago. Someone wrote that Vodafone and 02 networks operate
>>>within so many kms of a transmitter ( I can't just remember the exact figure, but maybe 32?),
>>>hills not withstanding, whereas Orange, T Mobile etc transmitters are far less powerful.

>The maximum cells size is 36km, however if you pack cells closer together you can of course run
>more transmitters and support more handsets in a given space. All of the base stations in a cell
>(there can be more than one base transmittor) run sufficent power to talk way beyond 36km, the
>problem is that timing constraints don't permit a base to handset distance beyond this due to
>propogation delays.

Unless you relax the propagation delays to trade greater distance for less traffic. This is done in
a number of coastal transmitters which are thus enabled to reach 72km out to sea. This includes some
islands, so that (for example) on parts of Skye you can use mainland transmitters which are more
than 36km away.

>>Another thing to bear in mind is that in marginal conditions your head can get in the way of a
>>poor signal. Turning on the spot can sometime improve things - using a hands free kit and holding
>>the handset aloft may prove better sometimes.

Height is often critical. In marginal conditions tying the handset to a walking stick to loft it up
will sometimes give you the needed extra. Or climbing a tree or local promontory.

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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

e.
>>
>>I just stop and talk to her..
>
>If you have to stop you are walking too fast. :-)

You have not walked with my wife, especially downhill.

Richard Webb

"Paul Rooney" <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:55:38 -0000, "Paul Saunders" <pvs1@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > When I go out I like to truly get away from civilisation.
>
> But not away from satellites (-:

Umm, yes, I'll be taking me GPS tomorrow for a quick fix in the Lakes, plus moby (scouse 4 mobile
tel), plus chieftain cds in car. So, I'm all set. 114 Wainwrights? I'm appalled!

Robert - A hell of a lot less than that.
>
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<{d-sep03}@dscs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <3fa97a29.14438093@news.cis.dfn.de>, Chris Street <despam.c.street@ntlworld.com> writes

>><{d-sep03}@dscs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>Voda & O2 operate at 900MHz and Orange & T Mobile are at 1800MHz. The higher you go the more the
>>>signal is line of sight (i.e. more susceptible to blockages) so the latter are more prone to
>>>interruptions from terrain.
>>
>>I think you will find that Vodaphone and cellnet also have 1.8Ghz system. The old 900Mhz system
>>was the old analogue phones, GSM operates on 1.8Ghz. Any network can use it provided that they
>>have the required licences.
>>
>Voda & O2 primarily operate at 900MHz - the standard or primary GSM band.
>
>http://www.vodafone.co.uk/download/CIP.pdf
>
>http://www.freedom-mobiles.co.uk/utmfaq.htm#6.1
>
>In the US GSM is at 1900MHz which is why we have tri-band phones. Most GSM phones are dual band for
>900 & 1800.

Most of the new stuff being added is on the upper band though, this certain was the case a year ago
when my father was working R&D on base stations and the new 3G stuff as it was then. There is only
70Mhz bandwidth allocated to the bottom end of the 900Mhz GSM band, there is double that up at 1800
hence it can carry more traffic.

>
>The analogue networks have been decommissioned and the bands allocated to expand the GSM900 band
>available in the UK.

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On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:31:17 GMT, highcruxroad@blueyonder.co.uk (RJ
Webb) wrote:

>e.
>>>
>>>I just stop and talk to her..
>>
>>If you have to stop you are walking too fast. :-)
>
>You have not walked with my wife, especially downhill.
>
>Richard Webb

You just reminded me why I tend to leave mine at home.

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"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> despam.c.street@ntlworld.com (Chris Street) writes:
>

> ><{d-sep03}@dscs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>In article <3fa96e7e$0$12668$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk>, Robert Hill <zen13484@zen.co.uk>
> >>writes
>
> >>>Also, this thread appeared a while ago. Someone wrote that Vodafone and 02 networks operate
> >>>within so many kms of a transmitter ( I can't just remember the exact figure, but maybe 32?),
> >>>hills not withstanding, whereas Orange, T Mobile etc transmitters are far less powerful.
>
> >The maximum cells size is 36km, however if you pack cells closer together you can of course run
> >more transmitters and support more handsets in a given space. All of the base stations in a cell
> >(there can be more than one base transmittor) run sufficent power to talk way beyond 36km, the
> >problem is that timing constraints don't permit a base to handset distance beyond this due to
> >propogation delays.
>
> Unless you relax the propagation delays to trade greater distance for less traffic. This is done
> in a number of coastal transmitters which are thus enabled to reach 72km out to sea. This includes
> some islands, so that (for example) on parts of Skye you can use mainland transmitters which are
> more than 36km away.
>
> >>Another thing to bear in mind is that in marginal conditions your head can get in the way of a
> >>poor signal. Turning on the spot can sometime improve things - using a hands free kit and
> >>holding the handset aloft may prove better sometimes.
>
> Height is often critical. In marginal conditions tying the handset to a walking stick to loft it
> up will sometimes give you the needed extra. Or climbing a tree or local promontory.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB,
> King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
>
Just back from the Lakes, can report that Grasmere area, previously a no signal are, now has full
strength reception.

Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] Height is often critical. In marginal conditions tying the
> handset to a walking stick to loft it up will sometimes give you the needed extra. Or climbing a
> tree or local promontory.

If I ever see a man waving a phone on a stick in the Lakes... I will say hello

lol

Peter

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:59:40 -0000, "Robert Hill" <zen13484@zen.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>"Paul Rooney" <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:sfviqvssoercojlla2p28nht5krg4dnedp@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:55:38 -0000, "Paul Saunders" <pvs1@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > When I go out I like to truly get away from civilisation.
>>
>> But not away from satellites (-:
>
>Umm, yes, I'll be taking me GPS tomorrow for a quick fix in the Lakes, plus moby (scouse 4 mobile
>tel), plus chieftain cds in car. So, I'm all set. 114 Wainwrights? I'm appalled!
>
>Robert - A hell of a lot less than that.
>>

It would have been about 30 more had it not been for me damaging a calf muscle and being good to the
family for a change! With luck I'll be up there on Sunday.

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"Paul Rooney" <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 22:59:40 -0000, "Robert Hill"
<zen13484@zen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Paul Rooney" <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:sfviqvssoercojlla2p28nht5krg4dnedp@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:55:38 -0000, "Paul Saunders" <pvs1@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > When I go out I like to truly get away from civilisation.
> >>
> >> But not away from satellites (-:
> >
> >Umm, yes, I'll be taking me GPS tomorrow for a quick fix
in
> >the Lakes, plus moby (scouse 4 mobile tel), plus
chieftain
> >cds in car. So, I'm all set. 114 Wainwrights? I'm
appalled!
> >
> >Robert - A hell of a lot less than that.
> >>
>
> It would have been about 30 more had it not been for me
damaging a
> calf muscle and being good to the family for a change! With luck I'll be up there on Sunday.

Forecast for the weekend seems good. Dry and sunny. Possibly warmish. You might fancy the beach
instead....You don't wanna exert that calf muscle too much u know.....

Robert Not 114 Wainwrights
>
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2003):
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>
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Paul Rooney <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote:
> With luck I'll be up [in the Lakes] on Sunday.

I should be in the Lakes over the weekend, too, Paul; all being well, I'll do a circuit of
Haweswater. Not sure our paths will cross though! Hope you enjoy the walk.

Mark
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On 6 Nov 2003 09:20:08 GMT, Mark Manning <mrm1@msm.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>Paul Rooney <paulrooney@aol.com> wrote:
>> With luck I'll be up [in the Lakes] on Sunday.
>
> I should be in the Lakes over the weekend, too, Paul; all being well, I'll do a circuit of
> Haweswater. Not sure our paths will cross though! Hope you enjoy the walk.
>
> Mark

Thanks - I hope to be somewhere in the NW fells. I'm just about to browse the Wainwright volume.
I've treated myself to a full set with the dosh saved from quitting smoking (-:

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In message <3fc613c6$0$52885$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>, Blencathra
<mail_at_laverick_dot_plus_dot_com@foo.com> writes
>>>
>>> So I have to put up with ugly masts and all the other paraphernalia on
>> numerous hilltops because of your fickle dietary needs?
>
>When you are at home do you like to use your mobile? It seems most people do, yet I as a resident
>am not allowed this priviledge because it would disturb your sense of the aesthetic.
>
Well I tell you what why don't we campaign for the hills to be bulldozed level and covered in tarmac
and that way you and everyone else will be able to have conversations with their friends saying
things like: 'I'm on the Blencathra tarmac, where are you? Oh you are sitting in your living room,
that's really interesting. Just how deep is the pile on your carpet?'

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216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths')
217/89 Donalds 390/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

Martin Richardson wrote:

> In message <v4jhqvkr31246bhi7fet8atjf7f43f6njk@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney <paulrooney@aol.com> writes
>>On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:06:45 +0000, Martin Richardson <martin@thequiff.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <TMRpb.5921$hx5.44896628@news-text.cableinet.net>, Chris S
>>><this_is_a_fake@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>>Could you give us your views on the best mobile network for the Lakes. I have T Mobile and the
>>>>connection is rubbish. I have done some looking and Vodaphone and Orange seems to be the best
>>>>so far.
>>>>
>>>>I would like your views on which is best and where you use them.
>>>>
>>>The best one is the one with no coverage at all.
>>
>>That's all very well for the telepathic, but those of us who suddenly feel an urge for beef rather
>>than lamb, at 2 o'clock on a Sunday afternoon on a rocky ridge, require a more reliable method of
>>communicating with the wife. As to being annoyed by the ring, which Paul mentions, that's not an
>>issue - they all come with an Off button.
>>
>> So I have to put up with ugly masts and all the other paraphernalia on
> numerous hilltops because of your fickle dietary needs?

When you are at home do you like to use your mobile? It seems most people do, yet I as a resident am
not allowed this priviledge because it would disturb your sense of the aesthetic.

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Martin Richardson wrote:

> In message <v4jhqvkr31246bhi7fet8atjf7f43f6njk@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney <paulrooney@aol.com> writes
>>On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:06:45 +0000, Martin Richardson <martin@thequiff.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <TMRpb.5921$hx5.44896628@news-text.cableinet.net>, Chris S
>>><this_is_a_fake@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>>>Could you give us your views on the best mobile network for the Lakes. I have T Mobile and the
>>>>connection is rubbish. I have done some looking and Vodaphone and Orange seems to be the best
>>>>so far.
>>>>
>>>>I would like your views on which is best and where you use them.
>>>>
>>>The best one is the one with no coverage at all.
>>
>>That's all very well for the telepathic, but those of us who suddenly feel an urge for beef rather
>>than lamb, at 2 o'clock on a Sunday afternoon on a rocky ridge, require a more reliable method of
>>communicating with the wife. As to being annoyed by the ring, which Paul mentions, that's not an
>>issue - they all come with an Off button.
>>
>> So I have to put up with ugly masts and all the other paraphernalia on
> numerous hilltops because of your fickle dietary needs?

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