Justice Eady - what does he know ? - Page 2

The lady that you refer to is Ms.Emma O'Reilly, soigneur to the USPS team.
She's a Dublin girl.
She says that LA asked her to collect a package containing illegal substances.
She related this to David Walsh in his book LA Confidentiel.

As regards whether or not this issue would carry the same prominance here if the cyclist concerned was Irish, Scottish, English - let me tell you that there
was a real kerfuffle when a couple of drug stories broke.

Irish swimmer Michelle Smith was deemed to have tampered with a drug sample in 1998 and was banned from international competition.
Michelle won three gold medals at the Atlanta Games in swimming in 1996.
When the subsequent scandal broke - there was massive controversy.
Her Olympic performances were questioned thoroughly.

When Stephen Roches name was mentioned in court during the Michele Ferrari
trial - the controversy that broke here was massive also.
His name was found on a list of cyclists deemed to have been supplied with EPO in the early 1990's.
The media scrum around that issue was huge.

In Ireland, our sport is very dear to us.
Sean Kelly is a god here - as was Stepehn Roche.
Sport, in the Irish psyche, is more important than politics/business.
In this country, we still have a very corinthian attitude - play fair - so when a sports controversy breaks, it gets massive coverage.

Must be your sister…She shares your penchant for false accusations….While I’m on the subject, I demand you withdraw your false accusations about Lance immediately!

eh, no Emma O'Reilly isn't my sister.

What false allegations - he's a dopeur, a cheat.

Yeah, I read it on one of those sites you've been googlin...sacharin 57a "Lance Armstrong is an American Devil and the only way he could win is to use juice it up cause limerickman says so. He was born from a woman during her menstral cycle"...What a hoot!

Right!

You're being facetious.

Listen I'll send you a copy of the 1992-1996 Tour de France tapes if you want to see how LA actually cycles.
Just watch him as he is destroyed by Indurain, Pantani, Zulle, Jalabert.

PS : as part of your continuing cycling education, Miguel Indurain, Marco Pantani, Alex Zulle and Laurent Jalabert are all European cyclists.

Class dismissed.

No ****?

Oh, you mean when cancer was destroying his body? I wonder how they faired against kids in the special olympics?

As part of your "zapper" training, I knew who these chaps are! Btw, old marco just couldn't handle the crushing humilation that LA laid on him now could he?

I've got your class....hanging right here....

As part of your further education - professional cyclists have to take out a licence to cycle in the pro ranks.
Part of the licence process is the attendance at medicals to check for illness, disease etc.
Motorola (LA's team at the time) would have been required to do a full medical of their client throughout the period 1992-1996.
Strange how the cancer sufferer never managed to fail a medical between 1992-1996 ?
Maybe it was part of the vast conspiracy theory that you behold ?
So if he didn't have cancer in 1995 (and he passed his medicals), for example, how come he finished the Tour de France 1 hour 30 mins behind Indurain ?

Interesting that you refer to Pantani.
Lets look at the 1995 Tour de France.
Pantani finished 13th overall - over an hour faster than the non-cancer suffering 1995 version of LA.
Imagine his surprise therefore when a relative non-entity like Armstrong (1992-1996) is miraculously transfigured in to the great (natural - ha) climber at Coercheval in 2000.
Pantani recognised a cheat when he saw one - a UCI endorsed cheat called LA, at that.

Be careful here Lim. Are you sure you've read and absorbed the 23 pages of legal argument to pave the way for the trial. I know of one case that might come off, or may be settled out of court involving people who we are familiar with. This case involves certain allegations published on an internet message board. And no, it isn't me.

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Well Pantani wasn't exactly the shining light of virtue was he? Perhaps something might transpire out of Hamiltons case which is due to be heard shortly. It's all got something to do with HBOC's surely.

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I tried to access Lawtel and I couldn't (at 2.00am this morning).
So I need to read the 23 page judgement.

Well if Mr.Armstrong wants to sue me - he can feel free to do so.

His action in France, I am told, is lukewarm.
So much so that Walsh & Co are looking at publishing the book in England and the USA.
(This is from a source very close to the parties concerned).

The ST case - as far as I understand - was to do with the reporting, by the ST, of the contents of the book LA Confidentiel.
That was LA's case, as far as I understand, against the ST.

The allegations made in the book are a separate issue - as I understand it.
To fight the allegations in the book directly, LA and Co would have to enter a french court and testify that Walsh & Co have libelled him and they would be required to disprove the allegations that Walsh has made.

Before publishing the book, I am told that the people who made the doping allegations against LA have all undertaken to testify in open court in France, if LA intends to sue.
I have got this from parties close to the publishing of the book.

Therefore, the likes of Greg LeMond and Emma O'Reilly and others appear to be prepared to go in to a witness box to vouch that what they said about LA in the book, has been accurately stated in Walsh's book.

I am not a solicitor/barrister and have only a laymans understanding of the law, but I am reliably informed that the publishers and authors have their homework done and this is why they chose to publish in France initially, with the option of publishing in UK and the USA later.

Here's an interesting link with Davi Walsh discussing the book.

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/6295.0.html

And that's my point - Marco wasn't a shining light and knowing that he himself was doping, what do you think went through his mind when he saw LA beside him at Coercheval ?

Picture it.

Five years previously, you have destroyed the bloke cycling next to you.
He wasn't even fit to lace your cycling shoes.
In the meantime he has come back from cancer and can cycle up Coercheval as quickly as you (Pantani) - and does so while proclaiming to be clean !
And in the meantime, you (Pantani) are subject to the biggest witch hunt in cycling in the preceding (from 2000) years !

Ludicrous.
One person is villified as a cheat and the other is accepted and endorsed, even though that person improvement is highly questionable.

And that's my point - Marco wasn't a shining light and knowing that he himself was doping, what do you think went through his mind when he saw LA beside him at Coercheval ?

Picture it.

Five years previously, you have destroyed the bloke cycling next to you.
He wasn't even fit to lace your cycling shoes.
In the meantime he has come back from cancer and can cycle up Coercheval as quickly as you (Pantani) - and does so while proclaiming to be clean !
And in the meantime, you (Pantani) are subject to the biggest witch hunt in cycling in the preceding (from 2000) years !

Ludicrous.
One person is villified as a cheat and the other is accepted and endorsed, even though that person improvement is highly questionable.

There may be valid reasons for LA being suspect, but until real evidence is presented, it is all just heasrsay and gossip.

By these rules, any champion is suspect,and maybe with todays' chemistry that is proper. I wonder what it will be like in 50 years.

OK then code in, Pick UK law, tick case law, type in Armstrong at the top header, and pick dates 10-20 Dec 2004. on the opening page you will see the case. Go top left corner, and it should come up on Acrobat reader. try it now. Any probs get back to me.

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That's my point of view also. None of the allegations have been proved, that LA did cheat to win. The slurs against his character are libellous, defamatory, and are of detriment, but not in a financial sense. I could tell you all some tales, all true, but I won't because that's not how riders play the game in the peloton. If you get caught, so be it. You don't do what Phillip Gaumont did to David Millar, just because you got the sack. So I doubt whether Gaumont will be riding for anyone in the future.
Believe me when I tell that the men in white coats will always be one jump ahead.

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