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davidmc · #**106** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by zapper

Hey lefty, I think I’ve given you the opportunity to respond to this before but please in the context of what you just said please do….

: 1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January.....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq.

2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war,
state the following ..

FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan
did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea
never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per
year.

F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam
never attacked us.
See above
Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per
year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us.

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by
Sudan and did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.[/b]

3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us

President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea
without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000
of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking,
but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.
How many after war dead are there? 1300+
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman

My compatriot-Lim- answered 1st but, here's my asessment.
I thought "combat death's" only occur during a time of war Zapper

Let's see at $2 billion/week(cost of iraq ["occupation/war"?]) that's more than the Repub's would have put into Detroit in 25yrs.

Germany was allied w/ Japan-thought you would've known that

Ever heard of the "domino-effect?-N.Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan (80's), ect...Proxy war's
Hav'nt read McNamara's book I see, inre: prolongation of the Vietnam "situation" (much like the Iraq "situation") for political gain by a Republican Pres.

Incidentally, my father was "none too happy" (that's putting it mildly) to hear about that "sham"; as he was over there

Inre: Bosnia-does "genocide" mean anything to you?
I agree w/ Afghanistan, however-Opium production up considerably. As far as Iraq is concerned, Dub's/Rummy & **** have alot to answer for. Who, pray tell, is going to pay for this- as G. Washington would have phrased it-"Foreign entanglement"? at $2 billion/week. Would'nt mind having your taxes raised would you

because we know he's NOT going to tax the "rich" don't we

What do you keep going on about a "speedy victory" for? Tell that to the families of the 1300+ POST-WAR DEAD for an unnecessarily "forced" war of choice.

**limerickman** · #**107** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by zapper

My claim….is not that Clinton should have eradicated al qaieda but at least made the American people aware of them, and done something that produced some sort of result other than lobbing a missile at an empty training camp…I’m not going thru the list but Bush and company have captured and or killed a long list of al qaieda operatives and their hierarchy. Clinton has ZERO and I do mean ZERO kills, captured or otherwise on his resume. He prefers to chase skirts instead of terrorists…I’m not saying that chasing skirts isn’t admirable but just not for a President on my DIME!

!

I knew about BinLaden in 1998.
I tell you why.
Clinton was on a visit here in 1998.

We got a visit from the local police force who were accompanied by a
Secret Service Agent Dragnet Type.
They were checking the route of Clinton's cavalcade and his entourage would
have had to pass by the front of my home.
So the cops were checking the houses along the entire route.

When the visit from the cops came, they asked if anyone else other than my family lived here.
I said "yeah, we have a foreign guy who rents a rooom here called BinLaden".
There was no reaction from the local police officer, nor agent Squarehead.
Your own secret service didn't bother to react - so why should
US Joe public ?

Afterwards my wife asked me about the comment, wondering about who I had been referring to.
I told her about Binladen - and she wasn't too pleased.

I thought it was a great punchline - but it went over the audience head.

While we're here and you're talking about your nickels and dimes and tax :
how do feel about funding perverts like Lynndie England and Charles Graner ?

zapper · #**108** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by limerickman

this is a first - I ADMIT IT, YOU ARE RIGHT, ZAPPER !
I was wrong - it was only 4 days and not 5 days since your last post.

You can pick yourself up off the floor !

I can’t believe this…YOU admit to a mistake??? Yes, (in nostalgic tv talk) “this is the big one Elizabeth!”

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You mean, you actually supped French beer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Better phone immigration and get your quarantined at Ellis Island.
After all, that french beer might make you go all European !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope wouldn’t touch the stuff… I drank heine’s out of a bottle…

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Now a serious reply.
John Hopkins input to the survey, was through funding and did not consist of actually carrying out the survey count.
Hopkins assisted with tabulating the data.
BUT IT WAS THE LANCET WHO PERFORMED THE COUNT.

Which is it…Hopkins assisted with tabulating? Explain that process…First, I think we must agree that Hopkins or Lancet both lean to the left. But secondly if what you say is true then this would be like Kerry performing the presidential vote count with Ted Kennedy assisting with tabulation…???? Yes, I feel confident of their fair and balanced intentions…NOT!

By the way, .all that “GREEN PRINT” was Rubbish like I said before…You prove your point that the “lancet” performed an accurate count and projection of figures by posting their report??? This is like trying to prove the validity of a story in the National Enquirer by post the story for the National Enquirer….C’mon Danny, you can do better than that…

zapper · #**109** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by limerickman

I knew about BinLaden in 1998.
I tell you why.
Clinton was on a visit here in 1998.

We got a visit from the local police force who were accompanied by a
Secret Service Agent Dragnet Type.
They were checking the route of Clinton's cavalcade and his entourage would
have had to pass by the front of my home.
So the cops were checking the houses along the entire route.

When the visit from the cops came, they asked if anyone else other than my family lived here.
I said "yeah, we have a foreign guy who rents a rooom here called BinLaden".
There was no reaction from the local police officer, nor agent Squarehead.
Your own secret service didn't bother to react - so why should
US Joe public ?

Afterwards my wife asked me about the comment, wondering about who I had been referring to.
I told her about Binladen - and she wasn't too pleased.

I thought it was a great punchline - but it went over the audience head.

Hey pass this on to peabody...You proved my point...They knew nothing of OBL and his fine organization...So I am curious as to why you put the blame on BUSH? According to your little anecdotal post here, you have provided a first hand account as evidence that Clinton didn’t know what the hell was going on…So, I demand you withdraw your false accusation.

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While we're here and you're talking about your nickels and dimes and tax :
how do feel about funding perverts like Lynndie England and Charles Graner ?

Pretty Damn good…a handful out of a few hundred thousand from a volunteer military…Not too shabby. There are more corrupt cops and teachers etc than that working on my dime…I’m sure your police forces have corruption as well. So, please tell me that they don’t so we can all see how out of touch you are…or perhaps you’ve hittin the bottle too hard today???

zapper · #**110** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by davidmc

My compatriot-Lim- answered 1st but, here's my asessment.
I thought "combat death's" only occur during a time of war Zapper

Let's see at $2 billion/week(cost of iraq ["occupation/war"?]) that's more than the Repub's would have put into Detroit in 25yrs.

Hey hold on a minute…I wasn’t aware that Lim was from the U.S. or that you two were colleagues.…Perhaps you are the “we” that he eludes to in many of his posts? Like your “compatriot” you failed to answer the specific questions one by one. No, you two selected a few that you could grasp “manufactured, pat responses” that have been in circulation on liberal websites or on the lips of Nancy Pelosi for sometime…The ole “smoke and mirror” routine. So, I see that you and lim fancy yourselves to be “Penn and Teller” do ya? Here’s a question that you and lim can answer…

1. How much is 280 million in 1940 dollars worth today?

2. Is your “compatriot”an Irish Setter?

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Germany was allied w/ Japan-thought you would've known that

Really? I’m shocked? But to be serious.. For the record , please post the date and location that Germany attacked us on U.S. soil prior to Japan blowin up pearl..

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Ever heard of the "domino-effect?-N.Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan (80's), ect...Proxy war's
Hav'nt read McNamara's book I see, inre: prolongation of the Vietnam "situation" (much like the Iraq "situation") for political gain by a Republican Pres.

Incidentally, my father was "none too happy" (that's putting it mildly) to hear about that "sham"; as he was over there

I prefer to read non-fiction…history books etc..However, please feel free to fill you little puppy head up with black helicopter conspiracy theories..

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Inre: Bosnia-does "genocide" mean anything to you?

S.H. Iraq genocide, rape rooms etc mean anything to you?

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I agree w/ Afghanistan, however-Opium production up considerably. As far as Iraq is concerned, Dub's/Rummy & **** have alot to answer for. Who, pray tell, is going to pay for this- as G. Washington would have phrased it-"Foreign entanglement"? at $2 billion/week. Would'nt mind having your taxes raised would you

because we know he's NOT going to tax the "rich" don't we

What do you keep going on about a "speedy victory" for? Tell that to the families of the 1300+ POST-WAR DEAD for an unnecessarily "forced" war of choice.

To kill the serpent you must dismember him…Think about it and while you are at it, how about answering my questions one by one instead of picking a few democratic one liners…As always, I’ll be waiting for an intelligent response.

**limerickman** · #**111** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by zapper

Which is it…Hopkins assisted with tabulating? Explain that process…First, I think we must agree that Hopkins or Lancet both lean to the left. But secondly if what you say is true then this would be like Kerry performing the presidential vote count with Ted Kennedy assisting with tabulation…???? Yes, I feel confident of their fair and balanced intentions…NOT!

By the way, .all that “GREEN PRINT” was Rubbish like I said before…You prove your point that the “lancet” performed an accurate count and projection of figures by posting their report??? This is like trying to prove the validity of a story in the National Enquirer by post the story for the National Enquirer….C’mon Danny, you can do better than that…

No, neither the Lancet or Hopkins are left leaning.
They are both professional bodies.
Get yer head out of the conspiracy bowl, Zapper.

Hopkins verified the tabulation.

The information was collected and collated by the Lancet.
(if you read the report - it tells you that).
They brought the information to Hopkins for them to verify that the tabulation
and the premise of Lancets calculation, was in accordance with statistical
collation of statistical data and to verify that the conclusion drawn by the Lancet were in accordance with statistical survey, and conclusions thereof.

If you had any knowledge of statistical data and the collation of same, you would know that it is standard (and best) practice to forward the basis and
methodology of how a survey is conducted, to a professional/academic third party for (and you'll know these words from your IT night course)
verification, validation BEFORE PUBLICATION OF THE SURVEY AND IT'S CONCLUSIONS.

The green print ?
Green - the colour of Islam, perhaps ?
Green - the colour of my own land, perhaps ?
Green - artistic licence ?
Maybe a combination of all three, who knows ?

The National Enquirer - staple reading for you and Mrs Zapper no doubt.

**limerickman** · #**112** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by zapper

Hey hold on a minute…I wasn’t aware that Lim was from the U.S. or that you two were colleagues.…Perhaps you are the “we” that he eludes to in many of his posts? Like your “compatriot” you failed to answer the specific questions one by one. No, you two selected a few that you could grasp “manufactured, pat responses” that have been in circulation on liberal websites or on the lips of Nancy Pelosi for sometime…The ole “smoke and mirror” routine. So, I see that you and lim fancy yourselves to be “Penn and Teller” do ya? Here’s a question that you and lim can answer…

1. How much is 280 million in 1940 dollars worth today?

2. Is your “compatriot”an Irish Setter?

Really? I’m shocked? But to be serious.. For the record , please post the date and location that Germany attacked us on U.S. soil prior to Japan blowin up pearl..

I prefer to read non-fiction…history books etc..However, please feel free to fill you little puppy head up with black helicopter conspiracy theories..

S.H. Iraq genocide, rape rooms etc mean anything to you?

To kill the serpent you must dismember him…Think about it and while you are at it, how about answering my questions one by one instead of picking a few democratic one liners…As always, I’ll be waiting for an intelligent response.

I answered all your questions about BinLaden and your country invading Bosnia, Vietnam, Korea, Germany.

Don't I get any credit ?

Glad you liked that anecdote about BinLaden and Secret Service guy back in
1998.

Which brings me to one point.

No one knew about BinLden in 1998 (except me) - we agree ?

Then why did Bush ignore threats about BinLaden when he was memoed about him during the first 9 months of his Presidency ?
If no one knew about him - except me in 1998 - dodn'y you think the USA should have been investigating him when his name appeared on all those
memos ?
Just a thought.

zapper · #**113** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by limerickman

No, neither the Lancet or Hopkins are left leaning.
They are both professional bodies.
Get yer head out of the conspiracy bowl, Zapper.

You are foolish if you believe that. Besides I can’t fit my head into the conspiracy bowl for you and Peabody are hoggin up all the head room!

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Hopkins verified the tabulation.

Oh, they did more than that....

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The information was collected and collated by the Lancet.
(if you read the report - it tells you that).

Wrong again. If so, what experts from the “lancet” put their tootsies on Iraqi soil and took the data? No, they collected the data from the below listed HIRED personnel…

L Roberts was the lead investigator in the field and was principally responsible for the data analysis, interpretation, and preparation of this report. L Roberts, PhD, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA

R Lafta was involved in study design, hired, trained, and oversaw the interview staff, led one of the two study teams, coordinated all logistical aspects of the study, and had a central role in data interpretation and preparation of this report. Bagdad md.. hired by Lancet

[b]R Garfield advised on issues of study design, study execution, participated in the analysis and interpretation of data and preparation of this report, and initially organised the study team. CO-AUTHOR OF THE LANCET STUDY. Richard Garfield is a Professor at Columbia University

J Khudhairi was involved in the study design, interviewer training, and oversaw one of the two survey teams in the field.Medical Doctor… Not a mathematician.

G Burnham advised on issues of study design, study execution, participated in the analysis and interpretation of data and preparation of this report, and organised and facilitated the ethics review process at Johns Hopkins University. G Burnham MD, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, MD, USA

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If you had any knowledge of statistical data and the collation of same, you would know that it is standard (and best) practice to forward the basis and
methodology of how a survey is conducted, to a professional/academic third party for (and you'll know these words from your IT night course)
verification, validation BEFORE PUBLICATION OF THE SURVEY AND IT'S CONCLUSIONS.

Hey take a breath ole man…this is a run on sentence from hell…Take another look through your bottle glasses….the lancet didn’t collect any data on the ground..it was provided by Roberts and company…check your own report that you are waving around here…Once again you make yourself look foolish here my friend…I like you but please stop for I can’t see to type much more for I am laughing too hard..

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The green print ?
Green - the colour of Islam, perhaps ?
Green - the colour of my own land, perhaps ?
Green - artistic licence ?
Maybe a combination of all three, who knows ?

No…I’d say it was envy

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The National Enquirer - staple reading for you and Mrs Zapper no doubt.

I will overlook your pitiful attempt to insult my wife. I will not stoop to your level. Yes…green…envy.. very appropriate…

**limerickman** · #**114** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by zapper

You are foolish if you believe that. Besides I can’t fit my head into the conspiracy bowl

…

You can, and you have.

Hopkins and the Lancet are professional bodies.

You attempted to discredit the numbers in the report.
You attempt to impugn the integrity of Hopkins and the Lancet.

Who would you chose to believe ?
You, or a world renowned academic university/a publication for the British Medical Practitioners (doctors) monthly journal ?

You and your incompetent goverment cannot provide numbers for casualties
arising from your country's illegal invasion of Iraq.

General Tommy Franks says "we don't do body counts".

The Lancet number stands.

MountainPro · #**115** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by limerickman

Who would you chose to believe ?
You, or a world renowned academic university/a publication for the British Medical Practitioners (doctors) monthly journal ?

.

i would have to go with Zapper on that one...i would believe him before the world renowned academic university/a publication for the British Medical Practitioners (doctors) monthly journal....after all Zapper is never wrong...a 100% record on everything...

zapper · #**116** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

i would have to go with Zapper on that one...i would believe him before the world renowned academic university/a publication for the British Medical Practitioners (doctors) monthly journal....after all Zapper is never wrong...a 100% record on everything...

Thanks for the Backup Pro...I know you speak from experience....

MountainPro · #**117** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by zapper

Thanks for the Backup Pro...I know you speak from experience....

yep, i too have fell foul of your self-righteous know it all posts...

there is no arguing with someone who is 'right' despite of the factual evidence.

moutahere...laterz.

**limerickman** · #**118** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

i would have to go with Zapper on that one...i would believe him before the world renowned academic university/a publication for the British Medical Practitioners (doctors) monthly journal....after all Zapper is never wrong...a 100% record on everything...

How could I forget !

He was right about the weather, the carburetors, the house building, the US economy, the BBC, the Financial Times..........(all part of this big, keep to yourself, conspiracy, shhhhhhhhhhhhh).

So (looking at the list), the Lancet/John Hopkins are wrong, US economic data in the Financial Times/Bloomberg is wrong, the internet sites showing the harshest weather locations around the world are wrong..................

zapper · #**119** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by limerickman

How could I forget !

He was right about the weather, the carburetors, the house building, the US economy, the BBC, the Financial Times

Now you are getting it...

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So (looking at the list), the Lancet/John Hopkins are wrong, US economic data in the Financial Times/Bloomberg is wrong, the internet sites showing the harshest weather locations around the world are wrong..................

No, look no further than Dr Les Roberts.

http://healtoronto.com/african_numbers.html

"Les Roberts, an epidemiologist at the agency, led a team that randomly surveyed 2,600 households in seven areas in eastern Congo with a population of 1.5 million according to government statistics from 1996. The researchers compared the mortality rate today with the mortality rate before the war, in 1998. They determined how many deaths — deaths of people who could no longer get treatment for malaria, deaths of malnourished children, violent deaths — were caused by the war. The researchers then extrapolated the findings onto all of eastern Congo, a region with 20 million people.

"Extrapolating from 1.5 million to 20 million, [bit's shoddy, but it's the best we can do right now," Mr. Roberts said. "People correctly criticized us for that."[/b]

"SOMETIMES, however, figures are based not on scientific estimates, but on pure guesswork. In Africa, in the absence of any figures at all, imaginary ones take on a life of their own — as they did last year with the charges that child workers were forced to work in Ivory Coast's cocoa plantations."

If the mans work in Africa by his own confession is shoddy with a larger study, what are we to make of his study in Iraq? Not just Zapper, the Lead investigator has admitted to performing shoddy work in the past...The Lancet numbers do not stand! and Mrs. Zapper said you are a wuss!

zapper · #**120** 03-03.-2005

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Originally Posted by MountainPro

yep, i too have fell foul of your self-righteous know it all posts...

there is no arguing with someone who is 'right' despite of the factual evidence.

moutahere...laterz.

No arguments...just discussion

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